Licensee unjustly fired for defending his life. What to do.

[45 4 life]

I am a small business owner, and being in this position I have the ability during interviews with potential employees to explain the following:

1. If you do not support our rights as written in the 2nd Ammendment, you will not enjoy working here. All of our employees enjoy forearms in one form or another, and they do not have to hide it during the working hours.

2. If you believe in animal rights, and/or are anti-hunting/fishing, you will not enjoy working here.

3. If you do not pass the urine test you will not work here.

4. If you have a CHL and would like to carry at work, feel free, if you do not have a CHL, and would like one, I will help you with what ever you require to get it.

5. If our flag offends you there is no place for you here.

6. If my GOD offfends you there is no place for you here.

6. You must speak English.

There are other questions and comments during the interviews, but I think you can all see where this is going, and how I practice my rights as a employer. This being said, I defend my rights, and at the same time must defend the rights of other employers regardless if I agree with them or not.

Company policy is company policy.

[Keith B]

I am a small business owner, and being in this position I have the ability during interviews with potential employees to explain the following:

1. If you do not support our rights as written in the 2nd Ammendment, you will not enjoy working here. All of our employees enjoy forearms in one form or another, and they do not have to hide it during the working hours.

I enjoy my forearms too, otherwise, I would not be able to shoot my firearms!!

Seriously, that is a good policy!!

[45 4 life]

Oh well, I can shoot better than I can type.

[dewayneward]

@45 for life.....are you hiring?

Seriously though, what is the general response as you run down the list of questions with the candidate? Has anyone left as a result?

Actually what type of business are you in?

[45 4 life]

@45 for life.....are you hiring?

Seriously though, what is the general response as you run down the list of questions with the candidate? Has anyone left as a result?

Actually what type of business are you in?

Most of the responses are very positive, and those that seem to be offended do thank me for being up front and honest. Before I get into the full interview process I cover some of the highlights, and then give the candidate the chance to leave and not waste either of our time. I did have one young lady stop me very early and walk out, but that could have been the deer mounts that are mounted in the office or the bobcat on my printer stand. (I found the cat while hunting one year and had it mounted I general do not shoot animals that I do not eat)

I have a construction/project management company.

Not hiring now, but after the first of the year I may require some additional resources.

[drjoker]

Lots of people have posted and PM me because they doubted that Papa John's would fire someone for defending their life from thugs. All you have to do is type into google, "Lufkin Papa John" to get their phone number, but if you couldn't spare the energy to do so, their phone number is (936) 634-6611. Just call them and ask for yourself if the guy was fired. Please don't call them 20-30 times per hour during mealtime every day to block their telephone line so that they can't do any business. That's why I did not initially post their telephone number. I don't want Papa's lawyers knocking on my door. So, again, please don't call the Lufkin Papa John's to harass them. I'm only posting their phone number so that y'all will stop harassing me. BTW, most Papa Johns are franchised, so the owner of that Lufkin Papa John location did not have to follow corporate policy. You don't have to suddenly call Papa John's and give the franchise owner a piece of your mind.



P.S. I don't have a vendetta against Papa John. I actually LOVE their pizza. You know, Pizza Hut and Domino's both fired employees for defending their lives. However, I don't have any problems boycotting their pizza because their pizza sucks compared with Papa John's. The reason I'm trying my best to change Papa John's corporate policy is so that I can go back to eating their pizza. I don't want to boycott their pizza for too long! Politics is gettin' in the way of good eatin', dadgummit!

[45 4 life]

Lots of people have posted and PM me because they doubted that Papa John's would fire someone for defending their life from thugs. All you have to do is type into google, "Lufkin Papa John" to get their phone number, but if you couldn't spare the energy to do so, their phone number is (936) 634-6611. Just call them and ask for yourself if the guy was fired. Please don't call them 20-30 times per hour during mealtime every day to block their telephone line so that they can't do any business. That's why I did not initially post their telephone number. I don't want Papa's lawyers knocking on my door. So, again, please don't call the Lufkin Papa John's to harass them. I'm only posting their phone number so that y'all will stop harassing me. BTW, most Papa Johns are franchised, so the owner of that Lufkin Papa John location did not have to follow corporate policy. You don't have to suddenly call Papa John's and give the franchise owner a piece of your mind.



P.S. I don't have a vendetta against Papa John. I actually LOVE their pizza. You know, Pizza Hut and Domino's both fired employees for defending their lives. However, I don't have any problems boycotting their pizza because their pizza sucks compared with Papa John's. The reason I'm trying my best to change Papa John's corporate policy is so that I can go back to eating their pizza. I don't want to boycott their pizza for too long! Politics is gettin' in the way of good eatin', dadgummit!

By the way drjoker, I want to be clear about one thing. Although I support any employer's rights to in enforce clearly written policies, I nor anyone in my family will be eating Papa John's, Pizza Hut, domino's or Pizza Inn all for the same reason.

We are lucky and have a small mom and pop that makes better food than any of the chains, and I know their delivery guy carries because I cautioned him once about printing.

[Purplehood]

Doesn't that whole franchising issue kind of make this a waste of time sending anything to corporate?

[texas1234]

PJ is not going to change the policy based on letters. The managers and PJ could care less who carries and it doesnt stop any driver from carrying. The policy is only there for the legal aspect of saving their butts if need be. I am sure that kid went to Pizza Hut the next day and started driving. That is one industry that is always hiring. I know becaue I used to do it.

There is not an attorney on the planet that works for a chain like that who is going to advise a change in policy unless the law is changed through the state. You would be better off writing your state rep to fix the law.

[LarryH]

There is not an attorney on the planet that works for a chain like that who is going to advise a change in policy unless the law is changed through the state. You would be better off writing your state rep to fix the law.

What law do you propose to change? Forbid companies from establishing/enforcing a "no guns for employees" policy? We couldn't get the parking lot carry bill passed last session, so it would take a massive effort to get what you want through the "Austin establishment".

[MoJo]

Doesn't that whole franchising issue kind of make this a waste of time sending anything to corporate?

Not really, corporate dictates what the franchisee must do and not do to continue to be franchised. I dumped Papa John's when I called them for a pizza and was told I lived in a "dangerous" part of town and they wouldn't deliver to my home. Where I lived wasn't as dangerous as where they have their store - - - several months ago three armed masked men robbed the store. The cops never found them. Good thing no one working there had a gun one or more of those poor bandits might have gotten hurt.

[MoJo]

There is not an attorney on the planet that works for a chain like that who is going to advise a change in policy unless the law is changed through the state. You would be better off writing your state rep to fix the law.

What law do you propose to change? Forbid companies from establishing/enforcing a "no guns for employees" policy? We couldn't get the parking lot carry bill passed last session, so it would take a massive effort to get what you want through the "Austin establishment".

The law of supply and demand is the only law that corporations adhere to. Quit buying their pizza or whatever they are selling if the demand for the goods and services falls off they will get the message. Mom & Pop operations are best anyway.

[dac1842]

This is a touchy subject. This is where the rights of the individual collide head on with the rights of the employer. I work for an employer that does not allow weapons on the property, period.
It does not matter if I agree with the policy, I accepted employment with them knowing that, therefore I am bound to abide by their rules, regulations and policies. The reason most companies have such a policy is due to the liability of not having one. In today's lawsuit happy environment, if an employer does not have such a policy and a shooting occurs that is not 100% clean as this one appears, then the company could be held liable and you can bet your bottom dollar some personal injury plaintiff's attorney would be all over it the minute it hit the news. In order to get companies to change their policies there will first have to be some law that exempts them from being held liable even in a less than perfect shooting. It is no different than if an employee in a company vehicle runs a red light and kills the occupants of the other car, some personal injury snake in the grass is going to trying to sue the driver and the company both.

Now having said all that.. I would prefer to be fired than dead any day. The driver in this case lived another day to seek employment.

If you want to see policies based on common sense, then the first thing that has to happen is tort reform. We need to make it real hard for folks to sue each other and then cap the damages. As an example, someone injured in car wreck, should get medical bills, lost wages, vehicle repair or replaced and that is it. Not a penny more. But as long as lawyers write the laws, they will continue to make it so that they have a tremendous amount of job security. We need to elect non lawyer, common sense people to office. Until we do, nothing will change.

[rosebud99]

funny when you think about it....this kid was fired for defending himself with a firearm, which is aginst company policy, but ,how many of these companies that have this same policy will wrap their arms around an individual and offer all kinds of help if your caught high or drunk, with either alcohol or illegal drugs...especially if it endangers others....something is sorely wrong with this picture..hope this kid found a better job..