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TxBlonde · Post by **TxBlonde** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:51 pm

& 30.06 signs. Does it count if the sign is on a window of a bussiness?

jbirds1210 · Post by **jbirds1210** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:56 pm

Welcome to the forum. Yes, it does count if the sign is on the window...I generally see them on a window near the entrance.
Jason

Commander · Post by **Commander** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:57 pm

Yes, if the sign is clearly visible to the public and meets the criteria below:

(3) "Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language
identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code
(trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person
licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed
handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed
handgun"; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both
English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least
one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to
the public.

Welcome aboard.

Corona · Post by **Corona** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:22 pm

Like was mentioned, make sure it's FULLY COMPLIANT, otherwise, it's just window dressing.

TxBlonde · Post by **TxBlonde** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:17 am

It is not for me to use it is for to know weather or not I have to aher to the sign in the window.

cyphur · Post by **cyphur** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:15 am

Question - what is the definition of a "conspicuous manner"? Is it clearly blatent and viewable for every passerby into that area? I have heard that Grapevine Mills is posted, but it is not clear. I have gone through an entrance and looked HARD for the sign(after I heard it was posted) and found none.

So again - whats the definition? Also - if you carry into an area marked at one entrance - however not marked where you enter - is that illegal carry? I understand what the police would think, but since I was not "warned"(lets presume I don't go to this place regularly and would have no other way to know) would it be a violation of 30.06?

TxBlonde · Post by **TxBlonde** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:45 am

IF you enter through the area that is not marked then you can not be in violation of the 30.06 sign.

Braden · Post by **Braden** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:59 am

cyphur wrote:Question - what is the definition of a "conspicuous manner"? Is it clearly blatent and viewable for every passerby into that area? I have heard that Grapevine Mills is posted, but it is not clear. I have gone through an entrance and looked HARD for the sign(after I heard it was posted) and found none.

So again - whats the definition? Also - if you carry into an area marked at one entrance - however not marked where you enter - is that illegal carry? I understand what the police would think, but since I was not "warned"(lets presume I don't go to this place regularly and would have no other way to know) would it be a violation of 30.06?

Grapevine Mills is also not posted at every entrance...or at least it wasn't when I lived up there (it may be now). I believe they are required to post them at every entrance, but I could be wrong. The signs they do have posted are outside of the entrances on the side wall. In my opinion they're not that hard to see...and it's also not that hard to turn around and take my money elsewhere.

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:30 am

Since you are not expected to walk around the entire building to every entrance, I can't see how they could expect the sign to be "clearly visible to the public" when its not posted at every possible public entrance.

If you entered through a door that didn't have the sign, I doubt you could be arrested. But you had better make darn sure that you don't overlook it

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:35 am

TxBlonde wrote:IF you enter through the area that is not marked then you can not be in violation of the 30.06 sign.

That is not necessarily true. It might be true, but not always.

cyphur · Post by **cyphur** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:04 pm

txinvestigator wrote:
TxBlonde wrote:IF you enter through the area that is not marked then you can not be in violation of the 30.06 sign.
That is not necessarily true. It might be true, but not always.

How would you be held in violation of 30.06 if you had no warning?

Wilson · Post by **Wilson** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:11 pm

cyphur wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:
TxBlonde wrote:IF you enter through the area that is not marked then you can not be in violation of the 30.06 sign.
That is not necessarily true. It might be true, but not always.
How would you be held in violation of 30.06 if you had no warning?

Post by **Charles L. Cotton** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:02 pm

cyphur wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:
TxBlonde wrote:IF you enter through the area that is not marked then you can not be in violation of the 30.06 sign.
That is not necessarily true. It might be true, but not always.
How would you be held in violation of 30.06 if you had no warning?

If you were to admit that you saw a 30.06 sign, but chose to enter a door that didn't have one. The requirement to have one on each entrance is to ensure a person does receive notice, so if a person admits they had notice, you'll have a problem.

Chas.

cyphur · Post by **cyphur** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:18 pm

Gotcha. I was referring to if you entered on the north end of any given building - no 30.06 signage - but there was signage on the south end. You don't see it, but are picked up and charged with UCW b/c the south side is posted.

Would there be a defense in the fact that you never passed the sign?

TxBlonde · Post by **TxBlonde** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:19 pm

Well then don't tell you went to a few different enterances before you found one that wasn't marked.

I never tell what I know will hurt me.