clip size

scooter03 · Post by **scooter03** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:10 pm

How can the test be taken, during firing, If I only have an 8 round clip. I have tried to get a larger clip but no help. Will I be allowed to reload my clip during the timed portion of the shooting? thanks for all the help in advance.

MoJo · Post by **MoJo** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:17 pm

Your 8 round magazine will be fine for the shooting portion of your class. You will have time to reload between strings. Also, if I remember correctly, 5 is the most loaded at one time.

nitrogen · Post by **nitrogen** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:21 am

<Pedanic mode ON>
It's called a magazine, not a "clip"
</Pedanic>

From rec.guns:

A Mangazine holds ammunition, and contains it's own spring to feed successive
rounds in the chamber.

A Clip holds the ammunition, but does NOT contain a spring. The most common
example of this is the clips used in the M1 Garand. The other common
variation (which I never hear used incorrectly) is a 'stripper clip',
which doesn't stay in the gun. It's only used to load the internal
'magazine'. Because the M1 was so widely used in the military during WW II,
I think a large number of returning GI's (who didn't care about the technical
niceties) started calling ANYTHING that put ammo into a gun 'a clip'.

We're a nice bunch of folk here (well most of us) but if you make that mistake most other places on the net, you'll have people correct you quite rudely to show you how smart they all are. Wouldn't want you to have to learn that lesson the way I did :)

killerquad · Post by **killerquad** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:05 am

During my range qualification the most rounds loaded were 6 so 8 would be more than plenty.

"if you make that mistake most other places on the net, you'll have people correct you quite rudely to show you how smart they all are"

I agree, I was surprised there wasnt a ton or replies on that.

Goes to show how nice the folks on this forum are.

longtooth · Post by **longtooth** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:38 am

Welcome aboard scooter. Fret not over the shooting portion of the class. If anyone in the class insists on qualifying w/ a 5 shot revolver then the instructor will keep it at 5 shot strings. You will have all the time to reload that you need. If no revolvers are on the line or they are 6 shooters, then 6 will be the most you load. I know of no instructor that even allows a 2nd mag. on the firing line.
I do a lot of training for new shooters & regularly go to class w/ them for incouragement. Especially for those that are worried. The last 2 ladies were both qualified by the time they finished the 7 yd station. You probably will too. They could have put the last 10 in the ground & still passed. One of those was a young lady that had never shot a simi & I only had about 20 minutes w/ her before she shot. You will do fine too.
Example of about what you should hear on the firing line so you will not be so nervous.
Instructor will call out "LOAD 6 AND HOLD UM UP."
You will load 6 in your mag & hold it up so he/she will know when all shooters on the line are ready.
LOAD & MAKE READY. You will insert mag & drop your slide. muzzle down range.
THIS WILL BE A TWO SHOT EXERSIZE. AT THE COMMAND FIRE TWO SHOTS & TWO SHOTS ONLY. READY FIRE. You shoot 2. band, bang. READY FIRE. You shoot 2. bang, bang. READY FIRE. band bang again.
MAGAZINES OUT HOLSTER'EM UP LOAD 5 AND HOLD'EM UP. You load 5 & hold mag up so inst. can see.
LOAD & MAKE READY. insert mag, drop slide, gun down range.
THIS WILL BE A ONE SHOT EXERSIZE. AT THE COMMAND FIRE ONE SHOT & ONE SHOT ONLY. READY FIRE. bang READY FIRE. bang READY FIRE. bang. FIRE. bang. FIRE. bang. Fire. bang. For all 250 rounds they will tell you everything to do, how many to load, how many to shoot at a time. There will be two "rapid fire" strings of 5 shots. I think the time is 15 seconds. What ever the time, it is PLENTY of time.
The time is very sufficient. Do not hurry your timed shots.
You will do well.

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:49 am

I had a problem that folks who wear prescription glasses should be aware of. It is very humid in this part of the country, and I wore my prescription glasses under a pair of safety glasses. They fogged up, and fogged up very quickly. I could wipe them quickly with my shirt, but they refogged within seconds. I was firing at a vague shape. I managed to score well anyway. I had eyeglass wipes with me I just didn't have time to find them and dig them out of the bag.

Any one dependant on glasses should keep a few wipes handy when they qualify.

It was at least realistic. If I ever am in a situation that I have to fire on a person. I can't expect to see lines indicating center of mass.

gene · Post by **gene** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:40 am

Looks like he got corrected here by some people just could not wait.

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:50 am

nitrogen wrote:<Pedanic mode ON>
It's called a magazine, not a "clip"
</Pedanic>

It's pedantic, not "pedanic".

flintknapper · Post by **flintknapper** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:16 pm

KBCraig wrote:
nitrogen wrote:<Pedanic mode ON>
It's called a magazine, not a "clip"
</Pedanic>
It's pedantic, not "pedanic".

It's also "Magazine" not:

A Mangazine holds ammunition, and contains it's own spring to feed successive rounds in the chamber.

Kinda funny though.

I'm glad no one is grading me on my spelling or grammar, it has never been my strong suit.

Have a great day all!

nitrogen · Post by **nitrogen** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:09 pm

I completely had that coming.

That's what I get for posting when I should be sleeping!

scooter03 · Post by **scooter03** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:11 pm

Well, this went well I think, thanks to all for going easy on my miss on what the actual ammunition holder is called. I really do appreciate all the help and confidence everyone has given me. I am not so much worried about hitting the target as to the size of my ammunition holder was. But that is now taken care of since it has been explained to me. Yall have a good night.

jimlongley · Post by **jimlongley** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:02 pm

Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but two of my rifles use clips, and I know of a couple of handguns that do too. As a matter of fact if you look closely at the picture below you will see a clip being inserted in a rifle.

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:40 pm

jimlongley wrote:As a matter of fact if you look closely at the picture below you will see a clip being inserted in a rifle.

Actually, that's a charger (used for feeding ammunition into the magazine).

If it was a clip, it would be a Garand instead of a 1903A3. And the operator (you?) would soon have a very sore left thumb.

I've got one rifle that uses clips, a Steyr M95/34. Straight pull bolt action, using Mannlicher clips. Fire the last shot, and the clip drops out the bottom of the magazine.

Kevin

jimlongley · Post by **jimlongley** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:11 pm

KBCraig wrote:
jimlongley wrote:As a matter of fact if you look closely at the picture below you will see a clip being inserted in a rifle.
Actually, that's a charger (used for feeding ammunition into the magazine).

If it was a clip, it would be a Garand instead of a 1903A3. And the operator (you?) would soon have a very sore left thumb.

I've got one rifle that uses clips, a Steyr M95/34. Straight pull bolt action, using Mannlicher clips. Fire the last shot, and the clip drops out the bottom of the magazine.

Kevin

You need to look a little closer, that is a Garand, and I was about to switch hands, although I have loaded one just that way and never gotten a sore thumb out of it. The thumb goes in essentially the same position, right or left handed, and get pushed out of the way by the bolt.

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:42 pm

jimlongley wrote:You need to look a little closer, that is a Garand,

Really? Ooops!

I squinted and squinted at that picture, certain that the wood stopped at the foward band, and that it was a Springfield.

Guess I'll go back to my Enfields now...