Store “security”

[Westfield]

[quote][/quote]I asked almost this identical question when I first got my CHL, except I asked about them/Walmart door greeter etc. looking in my waistpack/fannypack, because I had Seaworld or Six Flags or some Amusement park once search our fanny packs about 30 or 40 years ago that prohibited knives/guns etc. and they searched EVERYONE'S PURSE and fanny pack who entered. (They can't now, and weren't supposed to then.)

They check people's purses and fanny packs now at Seaworld.

[RPB]

They check people's purses and fanny packs now at Seaworld.

Yeah, that was it, I had to leave my 4" knife from my belt scabbard at the gate and they searched our fannypacks, mine had keys and chapstick and candy, then they looked at Mary's all full of "monthly female needed products" and said go on in, (even though there was a 5" knife under her other items)

[cbr600]

I asked almost this identical question when I first got my CHL, except I asked about them/Walmart door greeter etc. looking in my waistpack/fannypack, because I had Seaworld or Six Flags or some Amusement park once search our fanny packs about 30 or 40 years ago that prohibited knives/guns etc. and they searched EVERYONE'S PURSE and fanny pack who entered. (They can't now, and weren't supposed to then.)

Maybe not but it's private property and I believe they don't have to allow entry if you don't consent.

[RPB]

I asked almost this identical question when I first got my CHL, except I asked about them/Walmart door greeter etc. looking in my waistpack/fannypack, because I had Seaworld or Six Flags or some Amusement park once search our fanny packs about 30 or 40 years ago that prohibited knives/guns etc. and they searched EVERYONE'S PURSE and fanny pack who entered. (They can't now, and weren't supposed to then.)

Maybe not but it's private property and I believe they don't have to allow entry if you don't consent.

I believe I read somewhere that Seaworld is posted 30.06 anyway. I'm amazed they still search purses. I guess they don't want people smuggling in sardines to feed dolphins either .... sheesh. I don't intend to go there again. There are other Amusement places in the sea

[davidtx]

I asked almost this identical question when I first got my CHL, except I asked about them/Walmart door greeter etc. looking in my waistpack/fannypack, because I had Seaworld or Six Flags or some Amusement park once search our fanny packs about 30 or 40 years ago that prohibited knives/guns etc. and they searched EVERYONE'S PURSE and fanny pack who entered. (They can't now, and weren't supposed to then.)

Maybe not but it's private property and I believe they don't have to allow entry if you don't consent.

I believe I read somewhere that Seaworld is posted 30.06 anyway. I'm amazed they still search purses. I guess they don't want people smuggling in sardines to feed dolphins either .... sheesh. I don't intend to go there again. There are other Amusement places in the sea

I searched right after he posted that and they aren't posted 30.06. They have a generic "no guns" line as part of a larger list of restrictions.

[suthdj]

I agree:

1. this scenario is unlikely
2. the solution is to wait for LEO (I like the idea of calling LEO first, so you can be the complainant - brilliant)

but the caveat, if you're truly stopped because of a bulge in your clothing that is caused by your gun underneath ...

DON'T WAIT FOR THE ROUND ROCK POLICE

They're likely to arrest you for "unlawful carry by a concealed handgun license holder"

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... lit=cuffed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another response that I understand has been used before and might reduce the time required to resolve the situation would be to explain that you have a serious medical condition that requires a bulky portable device be attached to you whenever you're away from the home unit. For privacy reasons the nature of the condition and the device are both out of bounds for questions. End of story.

That would be a medical device for the injection of heavy metals, right.

[LaserTex]

SeaWorld - not posted - 2 miles from house - all the family visits - been 4 times with my LCP in hip pocket. Soaked to the BONE on 2 of them. Gun fine, I'm fine, family is fine. Go enjoy - but if you are worried about salt water - bring a ziplock bag.

Lost a pack of cigarette too - that's expensive

Doug

[gigag04]

2nd degree black belt carrying a 45. Good luck.

There's no reason to go there. If there is an issue call a cop. There should be no circumstance where they touch you. If they touch you, then thats battery and the above applies.

Battery is a civil issue here. There is no battery in Texas Penal Code.

[mkosmo]

Lost a pack of cigarette too - that's expensive

Sea world took them?

[frazzled]

2nd degree black belt carrying a 45. Good luck.

There's no reason to go there. If there is an issue call a cop. There should be no circumstance where they touch you. If they touch you, then thats battery and the above applies.

Battery is a civil issue here. There is no battery in Texas Penal Code.

Depends on the state in whether they break out battery from assualt. In Texas:

PENAL CODE



TITLE 5. OFFENSES AGAINST THE PERSON



CHAPTER 22. ASSAULTIVE OFFENSES



Sec. 22.01. ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:

(1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse;

(2) intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse; or

(3) intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.

[C-dub]

If and when someone accuses you of shoplifting and wants to search you, please remember to be polite while refusing to be searched and waiting for the police. Rudeness won't help at all.

[rm9792]

Lost a pack of cigarette too - that's expensive

Sea world took them?

I imagine they got wet.

[RPB]

Lost a pack of cigarette too - that's expensive

Sea world took them?

I imagine they got wet.

Else to prevent whales from snatching them to blow smoke rings out of the top of their heads.

[killerfly128]

i work loss prevention for the dreaded walmart as loss prevention and a previous poster was right i cannot stop you unless i see selection\concealment\continued posession\ and you have to walk outside the sliding metal doors. I work in a bad part of houston and definitely would love to stop some of the thugs that have pregnant purses and you can see there holding somithing under their jacket, but it isnt going to happen unless they saw you actually pick something up and conceal it and walk all the way out the store. If they do stop you cause theres a buldge under their jacket or pants, they will quickly get fired for a bad stop. Hope that clears it up for yall a little bit. Now i have to find a way to do a leagal way to do a wally walk lol. is there a back up wally walk out there?

Great post!

Many people dont understand there are steps to detaining someone for shoplifting. I will type out the steps that are required to stop a shoplifter at Fry's so that it may educate some people.

1. Approach -The officer must see the suspect approach the fixture or area from which the merchandise is taken.
2. Selection - The officer must see the selection of the merchandise.
3. Concealed - The officer must see where the merchandise is secreted or concealed.
4. Continual Surveillance - The officer must keep the subject under continual surveillance, without interruption.
5. Past the last possible point of sale and exited the store - The subject must have failed to pay for the merchandise in question and must have physically passed the last possible point of sale and exited the store. (Outside the threshold of entrance or exit doors)
6.Must know exactly where the merchandise is - At the time of the "stop" the officer must know exactly where the merchandise is, in the possession of the subject.

These detention steps for shoplifting are verbatim ... if they cant prove everything by seeing you do all of these steps you will not get stopped.

[Dragonfighter]

Ideally. That sounds pretty solid but there was a guy in the Roanoke area that was accosted by store security and had the police called when he was seen comparing a bolt to ones in the package. This happened a few years ago but it illustrates just like encounters with LEO, there's a way it is supposed to go and way that it sometimes realizes. Best to be ready for the odd foul-up than to expect the epitome of professionalism, IMHO.

Thanks for the size up on security procedures, it does ease the mind to know that...at least at my favorite toy store