One in The Pipe or Rack and Then Roll ?

bigolbigun · Post by **bigolbigun** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:25 pm

Now that I carry daily I have been given conflicting advice on if I should carry with one in the chamber, or wait to rack the slide until a round is needed. ( hopefully never). Not sure why someone would carry loaded but not ready to fire. My XD9 is pretty secured against an accidental discharge. Anyway I am interested in what you all think. Thanks

Cosmo 9 · Post by **Cosmo 9** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:32 pm

One in the pipe drop the mag. and add one to it!!!

jbirds1210 · Post by **jbirds1210** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:48 pm

In my opinion....if you have to stop and rack the weapon, the chances that your family will be planning a funeral increase dramatically.

I have read a few times that people prefer to carry with no round in the chamber and it continues to baffle me.

I believe that if a person is that uncomfortable carrying a gun in the manner in which it was intened, he or she should carry it empty for a while cocked at home until that level of comfort is reached.
Jason

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:48 pm

i don't own any handguns that are ever kept with an empty chamber. whether i'm carrying them or not, they are ALWAYS loaded...literally.

flintknapper · Post by **flintknapper** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:50 pm

Cosmo 9 wrote:One in the pipe drop the mag. and add one to it!!!

Yup!

The problem with having to chamber a round is that it assumes you will have the time to do so, the presence of mind to do so, the ability to do so (your weak hand/arm may be injured), etc. etc.

An empty chamber in a carry gun is a patently bad idea IMO.

MoJo · Post by **MoJo** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:00 pm

Always carry a full magazine +1 you may not get the chance to rack the slide when things go bad.

longtooth · Post by **longtooth** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:03 pm

Let all the wise voices above councel you.

nitrogen · Post by **nitrogen** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:26 pm

Also, what happens if you're injured before you have a chance to grab your weapon? Can you rack the slide if only one arm works? How would you do that? Grip the weapon with your teeth?

IF you're nervous about carrying +1, carry the gun with an empty chamber for a week.

After a week, check how many time the trigger was pulled. This is easy if you carry a weapon with a hammer designed to be cocked all the time, or a weapon with a cocking indicator (like the XD)
If you don't carry a weapon like that ( like a glock) go around with a snap cap in the chamber, and check that cap to see if it ever gets the "primer indentation" you'd get from a strike.

After you realise that, carrying with a good holster and a weapon in good working order, the trigger isn't going to get pulled unless you pull it.

propellerhead · Post by **propellerhead** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:52 pm

I would rather carry with and empty chamber than not carry at all. If you're not ready to carry with n+1 configuration, then don't. Don't feel pressured to carry to full capacity just because everyone else does.

Texasdoc · Post by **Texasdoc** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:57 pm

I carry one in the tube and 13 in the mag.its the way to go.

300Shooter

Lumberjack98 · Post by **Lumberjack98** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:06 pm

One in the pipe.

Time is normally a critical element to success. Why increase your time (and give away you position in some situations) when you have a perfectly safe firearm that will only fire if you grip it and pull the trigger?

Popshot · Post by **Popshot** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:40 pm

Like others have mentioned, when you need to use a handgun, it needs to be loaded. The chamber loaded indicator on the XD is a good feature and gives you both a visual and tactile signal the you are ready to go. Hold on a second, yes, I can feel that indicator on my XD40 right now.

DaveT · Post by **DaveT** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:30 pm

bigolbigun,

Having been in a shooting situation before, I can say this from personal experience: when the stuff hits the fan, it's going to happen very, very fast. So fast that you might only have time to get one round off. For your personal safety, that one round better be the one you have in the chamber, ready to go. My shooting situation (in law enforcement) lasted maybe five seconds... it was an ambush, he shot at me and missed, I returned fire and did not miss. His family buried him, I went home to mine.

If you don't feel comfortable with your pistol in the cocked and locked carry mode, I'd suggest you find a good revolver to carry for a while, at least until you are fully comfortable with what a carry weapon will and will not do.

With a SA carry weapon, not only do you have to be totally comfortable with the cocked and locked mode, but you must also be totally familiar with your weapon's safety system.... especially the external thumb safety, if your weapon has one. When the stuff hits the fan, you don't have time to be remembering to flip the safety to the off position..... it has to be an automatic reaction based on training, training and more training.

You asked for advice and opinions, you'll receive a lot since you asked. Above all else, the bottom line is for you to get familiar and totally comfortable with whatever weapon you choose to carry..... your life may very well depend on it. Mine did, and I'm still here.

Thane · Post by **Thane** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:05 am

Full mag plus one in the pipe on a 1911 Compact.

I like having 7+1 rounds of .45 +P!

Having been carrying this gun since I got my CHL (a whole three months

), I can say that I've never had the safety even swept off while carrying. I HAVE had the safety swept off from putting it in my desk drawer at night! (My typical desk detritus caught the safety and flipped it to 'fire.' Triggerguard was still protected by my holster, thankfully). In short, it's more prone to AD/ND when it's NOT in my immediate control.

I'm just not comfortable with the idea of carrying on an empty chamber, for the same reasons others have listed above. There's no guarantee I'll have time or opportunity to rack the slide if things go bad.

The Marshal · Post by **The Marshal** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:41 am

Bobby,

Carry it around loaded but unchambered until you feel comfortable with its position and weight. Then you should advance to the loaded position.
This took me all of two days, heheh!

The best thing about the XD - you can *feel* if it has the chambered round and cocked hammer. Also, since it has the grip safety, it is extremely unlikely to AD on you.

Carry with confidence!
Contact me, and I'll show you my Tucker Heritage IWB holster for that bad boy...

~Bill

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