Child dies due to GSW

[03Lightningrocks]

Are you fellers implying that the parent shot the little girl???? Wow!!! It seems like the angle of fire and powder residue on fingers would uncover this before the sun set. It has been many years since my offspring were 3 years old but I am fairly certain they would have had enough strength to pull that trigger.

That is exactly what I'm implying and I've had four 3-year olds. None of them could pull through a double action trigger until they were much, much older. I'm not a big .380 fan but all the one's I've looked at have DAO triggers.

The "double action" trigger pull on these pocket 380's comes in around 8lbs. I am not sure where they take the measurement for the reported pull but I will say that it feels like a whole lot less than a double action revolver. I can see where a 3 year old might have trouble managing a double action revolver pull but double action on these semi auto's is alot easier to manage. I think most 3 year olds could manage the pull. I haven't had a three year old for many years... about 22 of them, so maybe I am remembering wrong. Anyone out there want to see if your three year old could pull the trigger on a pocket 380 for us? Check this out about glock.

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[03Lightningrocks]

I am trying to find something on the interweb to compare a double action revolver pull to a double action semi-auto pull. I was just trying to compare the double action pull on my sig with the double action pull on my P380. the P380 feels like it is a whole lot easier to pull than the double action sig. Maybe it is an illusion, but I don't think so. I really think a 3 year old could pull the trigger on this P380. I don't know if a kid could pull the sig trigger as a double action. It would take a lot more effort.

[MojoTexas]

The little girl was shot in the belly, so if she put the muzzle against her abdomen and then used both hands to squeeze the trigger, it might have happened. I'm sure the police is all over this to determine if it was truly accidental or not. They should be able to determine how far away the pistol was based on GSR and powder burns.

Regardless, it's a terrible tragedy.

[bdickens]

I'm betting there's more to the story than what we have heard.

[chabouk]

I recall reading that most true self-inflicted GSWs by pre-schoolers, or even kids under 8, tend to involve using the thumbs on the trigger. That obviously means the gun is pointing toward the kid when they "pull" the trigger.

[MojoTexas]

Here's other articles with more information about the incident.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toddle ... 190&page=1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... ntrol.html

The second link shows both the pistol that was used in the tragic shooting, as well as the realistic Wii remote that the child thought she was using.

[Keith B]

Here's other articles with more information about the incident.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toddle ... 190&page=1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... ntrol.html

The second link shows both the pistol that was used in the tragic shooting, as well as the realistic Wii remote that the child thought she was using.

The pistol shown is a Smith & Wesson SW380. it is basically the Sigma in .380. Unless it has been modified, the trigger on the SW380 is about as heavy and long as the current Sigma's. Now that I have seen the gun, I find it hard to believe a 3 year old could pull that trigger myself.

[MojoTexas]

Here's other articles with more information about the incident.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toddle ... 190&page=1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... ntrol.html

The second link shows both the pistol that was used in the tragic shooting, as well as the realistic Wii remote that the child thought she was using.

The pistol shown is a Smith & Wesson SW380. it is basically the Sigma in .380. Unless it has been modified, the trigger on the SW380 is about as heavy and long as the current Sigma's. Now that I have seen the gun, I find it hard to believe a 3 year old could pull that trigger myself.

Here's the scenario as I could envision it....

1. The child picks up the SW380, thinking it's a game controller.
2. Child realizes that the trigger is too stiff, compared to what she's used to with the Wii controller.
3. Child (typical for a toddler) becomes stubbornly determined to pull the trigger.
4. In order to get more leverage, child puts the muzzle against her abdomen, and uses the thumbs of both hands to force trigger back.
5. Tragedy ensues

[seniorshooteress]

Wow The first article said it was a smith&weson .380 Does anyone know how hard the trigger pull is on that gun? I would sure like to know. That Wii controller doesn't look like any "guns" I have for my game and I thought that any play gun that looked that realistic had to have a bright orange end on the barrel. I personally think, that the parents should be held responsible and do some jail time, give them some time to reflect on their parenting skills or lack of. I still think there is something fishy in Denmark.

[seniorshooteress]

An after thought: Why, if the little girl was used to using the Wii remote on a game she played all the time, wasn't the TV shot instead of herself?

[MojoTexas]

One of the articles mentioned that Nintendo (makers of the Wii) do not actually market any controllers that realistically resemble handguns. The parents had to make a special effort to find one that realistic.

[cougartex]

Very sad.

[seniorshooteress]

And of course, here comes the Brady bunch again.

[boomerang]

This is why I don't allow children in my home.

[03Lightningrocks]

This is why I don't allow children in my home.