glock vs walther

[ericlw]

Im looking for a nice small carry gun. Personally I dont like glocks so the guy showed me a walther pps 9mm. Its pretty small and slim. they wanted 700 which I find to be expensive for this gun. Anyone got one of these?

[A-R]

Im looking for a nice small carry gun. Personally I dont like glocks so the guy showed me a walther pps 9mm. Its pretty small and slim. they wanted 700 which I find to be expensive for this gun. Anyone got one of these?

I have both the Walther PPS 9mm and a Glock 27 .40-cal. Love them both for different reasons. The PPS is a dream to carry. So much thinner, it's possible to forget I'm carrying it. And when carried tucked with a Crossbreed Supertuck it just disappears. The PPS is also very accurate for a 3-inch barrel. It shoots a bit low (this was explained to me as a "European" sight picture in which you're supposed to cover the target with the front sight, instead of placing the front sight just below the front target).

The PPS takes a bit of breakin time. No major FTF or FTE, but the triggers takes some reps to smooth out. If you buy one, dry fire it constantly while watching TV or something - try to get up to 500 or so dry fire trigger pulls and this will help smooth the trigger, which is a bit gritty at first. Glock is better out of the box for this reason. Also I'm comfortable changing parts like connectors and such to improve Glock trigger pull - haven't got the nerve to open the lower receiver on the Walther yet. But the Glock is a little brick; not a bad IWB carry, but not as effortless as the PPS.

Had one minor repair issue with my PPS - broken striker guide (plastic tube that fits into the striker channel and around the striker and striker spring). This actually didn't affect functionality surprisingly, pistol continued to fire (which, if you're going to have a major part break, that's the way to do it). But I sent it back to S&W for repair and the repair tech actually missed the problem at first. Here are details: http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... hilit=+pps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also, there are a number of reports on PPSOwnersForum http://ppstalk.com/forum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and one report here on TexasCHLForum http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... hilit=+pps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; of a slide-lock issue. I have not experienced this myself, but it's worthwhile to read up on this problem when making your decision. 1

$700 is too high for a PPS. I paid about $575 at GT Distributors in Austin (cheapest I found). A few gun show guys had them close to that price. Typical local gun shop is around $625-$650. Also prepare to pay as much as $50 for additional mags. The gun now only comes with one mag, though I did notice that Walther is offering a special promotion that includes a free second mag (basically putting the price back where it was a few years ago). I haven't tried the 8-round 9mm mag and don't see much need for it. The 7-round fits my hands perfectly and I have two of those, plus one of the 6-rounders which forces the pinky to hang off of the bottom. This is for the rare occasion when I might just stick this gun in a pocket.

I've found my PPS likes Speer Gold Dots and Hornady Critical Defense ammo best for accuracy. No problems feeding anything yet, but some of the Federal defense ammo is not as accurate out of the gun as others.

Here are a few other PPS links:
http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... hilit=+pps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... hilit=+pps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You really can't go wrong with either pistol. The Walther is an easier carry with a slightly weaker round (though it is available in .40, I've heard of more problems with the gun in that caliber). The baby Glocks are like all Glocks - will eat any ammo you feed it and are insanely reliable and durable. But they are fat little bricks and if they don't fit your hands then they don't fit your hands (unless you want to spend the money on a grip reduction).

If you're in the Austin area, I'd be happy to let you shoot mine to see what you think.

[Scott in Houston]

The Glock is tons lighter. Thicker, yes, but much much lighter than the Walther. Just another data point.

[Tregs]

The Glock is tons lighter. Thicker, yes, but much much lighter than the Walther. Just another data point.

glock 26 -
- 19.8oz
- 3.5" barrel length
- 10 round double-stack mag (I guess this varies with the mag you use since all glock mags are interchangable)
- Width = 1.4" (if i remember right)

Walther PPS
- 21.3oz
- 3.2" barrell length
- 7 round single-stack mag
- Width = <1"

[OldCannon]

The Glock is tons lighter. Thicker, yes, but much much lighter than the Walther. Just another data point.

I've told you a million times now, using hyperbole is a disaster of Cecil B. DeMille proportions!!!!!!!1!!!1!!



p.s. G27= 560g, PPS .40 = 605g. Not too big of a difference, but not what I would have expected myself.

[Tregs]

Im looking for a nice small carry gun. Personally I dont like glocks so the guy showed me a walther pps 9mm. Its pretty small and slim. they wanted 700 which I find to be expensive for this gun. Anyone got one of these?

You may want to take a look at the Kahr CW9
- 17.7oz
- 3.5" barrel
- width = .75"
- priced at around $450.
- 7 round mag that fills the avg size hand (big paws may be cramped)
- highly reliable

[Scott in Houston]

The Glock is tons lighter. Thicker, yes, but much much lighter than the Walther. Just another data point.

I've told you a million times now, using hyperbole is a disaster of Cecil B. DeMille proportions!!!!!!!1!!!1!!



p.s. G27= 560g, PPS .40 = 605g. Not too big of a difference, but not what I would have expected myself.

HAHA. Well, let me correct myself and say that the Glock FEELS tons lighter than the Walther. Those Walthers feel like bricks to me.

[A-R]

The Glock is tons lighter. Thicker, yes, but much much lighter than the Walther. Just another data point.

glock 26 -
- 19.8oz
- 3.5" barrel length
- 10 round double-stack mag (I guess this varies with the mag you use since all glock mags are interchangable)
- Width = 1.4" (if i remember right)

Walther PPS
- 21.3oz
- 3.2" barrell length
- 7 round single-stack mag
- Width = <1"

Glock 27 loaded with 9 rounds of .40-cal Speer Gold Dots = 27 oz
Walther PPS loaded with 7 rounds of 9mm Speer Gold Dots = 26 oz

Just weighed these on my handy-dandy completely accurate plastic kitchen scale

[marksiwel]

27 ounces? Man my browning weighed like 5 pounds fully loaded. Man up!
Why are you opposed to Glocks?

[HankB]

My Glock 26 is a very nice gun that has exhibited absolute reliability, even when I deliberately tried to induce malfunctions via a "limp wrist" 2-finger hold.

My polymer Kahr was an absolute disaster, with numerous problems.

Some Walther devotees love their pistols with an almost religious fervor, and when I was shooting IDPA, quite a few people tried Walthers . . . but their numbers gradually dwindled, due to reliability issues.

Others may have different experiences/observations, but these are mine.

[dklag37]

I have the Walther PPS in .40 cal and have had no problems with it. It is currently my daily carry and the slim profile of the gun makes it very concealable, especially with a crossbreed supertuck. The trigger is a little gritty but I don't have any problems with it.

I recently purchased the Glock 19 and the trigger is noticeable smoother, which I anticipated. I shot it for the first time today and put 180 rounds through it and could have shot it all day if I had the money for more ammo.

Overall, both are great firearms and make for a fantastic carry weapons. Both have pros and cons but overall, I like the fact the Walther is pretty much invisible when carried correctly.

[d strokes]

Im looking for a nice small carry gun. Personally I dont like glocks so the guy showed me a walther pps 9mm. Its pretty small and slim. they wanted 700 which I find to be expensive for this gun. Anyone got one of these?

I have both the Walther PPS 9mm and a Glock 27 .40-cal. Love them both for different reasons. The PPS is a dream to carry. So much thinner, it's possible to forget I'm carrying it. And when carried tucked with a Crossbreed Supertuck it just disappears. The PPS is also very accurate for a 3-inch barrel. It shoots a bit low (this was explained to me as a "European" sight picture in which you're supposed to cover the target with the front sight, instead of placing the front sight just below the front target).

The PPS takes a bit of breakin time. No major FTF or FTE, but the triggers takes some reps to smooth out. If you buy one, dry fire it constantly while watching TV or something - try to get up to 500 or so dry fire trigger pulls and this will help smooth the trigger, which is a bit gritty at first. Glock is better out of the box for this reason. Also I'm comfortable changing parts like connectors and such to improve Glock trigger pull - haven't got the nerve to open the lower receiver on the Walther yet. But the Glock is a little brick; not a bad IWB carry, but not as effortless as the PPS.

Had one minor repair issue with my PPS - broken striker guide (plastic tube that fits into the striker channel and around the striker and striker spring). This actually didn't affect functionality surprisingly, pistol continued to fire (which, if you're going to have a major part break, that's the way to do it). But I sent it back to S&W for repair and the repair tech actually missed the problem at first. Here are details: http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... hilit=+pps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also, there are a number of reports on PPSOwnersForum http://ppstalk.com/forum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and one report here on TexasCHLForum http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... hilit=+pps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; of a slide-lock issue. I have not experienced this myself, but it's worthwhile to read up on this problem when making your decision. 1

$700 is too high for a PPS. I paid about $575 at GT Distributors in Austin (cheapest I found). A few gun show guys had them close to that price. Typical local gun shop is around $625-$650. Also prepare to pay as much as $50 for additional mags. The gun now only comes with one mag, though I did notice that Walther is offering a special promotion that includes a free second mag (basically putting the price back where it was a few years ago). I haven't tried the 8-round 9mm mag and don't see much need for it. The 7-round fits my hands perfectly and I have two of those, plus one of the 6-rounders which forces the pinky to hang off of the bottom. This is for the rare occasion when I might just stick this gun in a pocket.

I've found my PPS likes Speer Gold Dots and Hornady Critical Defense ammo best for accuracy. No problems feeding anything yet, but some of the Federal defense ammo is not as accurate out of the gun as others.

Here are a few other PPS links:
http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... hilit=+pps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... hilit=+pps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You really can't go wrong with either pistol. The Walther is an easier carry with a slightly weaker round (though it is available in .40, I've heard of more problems with the gun in that caliber). The baby Glocks are like all Glocks - will eat any ammo you feed it and are insanely reliable and durable. But they are fat little bricks and if they don't fit your hands then they don't fit your hands (unless you want to spend the money on a grip reduction).

If you're in the Austin area, I'd be happy to let you shoot mine to see what you think.

^^^ What he said.

Both are nice guns. Pick the one you like more, because you will practice more with a gun you like.

[RPB]

I prefer Glock, but I'm interested in the Bersa BP9CC when they are available in a couple months.
I looked at PPS, saw problems, bought a KelTec PF9, Taurus PT709 slim, both good, they fit in my carco pants pockets as backups to my Glock 26, but I don't want just 8 rounds if being carjacked by 4 guys, so I rarely have less than 16 rounds in my Glock 26 as a primary gun..(Glock 19 mag with spacer in my Glock 26 IWB .... extra 33 round Glock mag in glove compartment)

[ericlw]

well if im car jacked i will probably be using my truck as the wepon instead.

[RECIT]

well if im car jacked i will probably be using my truck as the weapon instead.

Then backing up for a double tap (Zombie Land reference)