Lawmakers Eyeing National ID Card

[Fangs]

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Lawmakers are proposing a national identification card — what they’re calling “high-tech, fraud-proof Social Security cards” — that would be required for all employees in the United States.

The proposal by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-New York) and Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-South Carolina) comes as the states are grappling to produce another national identification card at the behest of the Department of Homeland Security. Virtually none of the states are in compliance with this Real ID program — adopted in 2005 — requiring state motor vehicle bureaus to obtain and internally scan and store personal information like Social Security cards and birth certificates for a national database.

Homeland Security officials pointed to the Sept. 11 hijackers’ ability to get driver’s licenses in Virginia using false information as justification for the proposed $24 billion Real ID program. Schumer and Graham point to illegal immigration as cause for their plan.

“We would require all U.S. citizens and legal immigrants who want jobs to obtain a high-tech, fraud-proof Social Security card. Each card’s unique biometric identifier would be stored only on the card; no government database would house everyone’s information,” they said. “The cards would not contain any private information, medical information or tracking devices. The card would be a high-tech version of the Social Security card that citizens already have.”

Jim Harper, director of information policy studies at the Cato Institute, suggests the plan would undoubtedly lead to a national database. He added that “there is no practical way of making a national identity document fraud-proof.”

What’s more, Richard Esguerra, the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s in-house activist, notes that a national ID card likely would expand from its stated purpose.

“Because of the ID card’s proposed universality, it will likely be requested and required by airlines, insurance agencies, health care providers, mortgage lenders, credit card companies, and so forth,” he said.

And this so-called mission creep is no fantasy.

A recent and clear example of this is the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act. The 2007 law requires states to have statutes demanding sex-offender registration for those convicted of the non-sex-related offenses.

Graham and Schumer said they have discussed the immigration plan with President Barack Obama, but that apparently is as far it has gone. Regarding Real ID, beginning Jan. 1 the law was supposed to have blocked anybody from boarding a plane using their driver’s license as ID if their resident state did not comport with the Real ID program.

But the Department of Homeland Security extended the deadline for another year.

How much you wanna bet that it'll be required for firearm purchases?

[Kythas]

A national health care ID is already included in the Obamacare bill, so I don't see the point in having two national IDs. They'll probably just combine them into one.

I also, mark my words, envision a national sales tax or VAT to help pay for it.

Hold on to your wallets, boys and girls.

[cougartex]

Hold on to your wallets, boys and girls.

[SwimFan85]

Ihre Papiere, bitte!

[Oldgringo]

What's the problem with a National ID card for U.S. citizens?

Somebody needs to know who all of these funny lookin' and funny talkin' people are, where they're coming from and what they're up to. If anyone thinks that they are invisible, well, er..uh, they may be delusional and perhaps need some sort of ID so that they can find their way home.

No ID card = no services, no payments, no jobs, no medical care, no voting, no housing and no nothing else. What am I missing?

[SwimFan85]

What am I missing?

Constitutional authority.

[SQLGeek]

No ID card = no services, no payments, no jobs, no medical care, no voting, no housing and no nothing else. What am I missing?

Considering the way illegals manage to get driver's licenses and register to vote, I'm sure that will work equally as well.

[The Annoyed Man]

What am I missing?

Constitutional authority.

Yep.

[suthdj]

Why not just use the passport. It is already in place.

[marksiwel]

Why not just use the passport. It is already in place.

Your passport, Drivers License, and SS were never meant to your main ID. sadly they have been adopted as such. You only need to show your Passport when leaving and entering the country, your Drivers license should only be used to ID when DRIVING, your SS is meant for Social Secuirty. Your CHL is also only meant to be used for IDing you as a legal holder on a concealed handgun.
While there are valid constitutional claims against a National ID, I do wish that the State of Texas would make a State ID that was up-to-date and could contain usefull information that depending on your Secuirty level could be read by different people. Like you go to buy booze they can only get your name and your age, the police can read that you have a CHL and Warrants, the Paramedics can see you age, and any medical issues you may have.
Just dont make the mistake the UK made
http://gizmodo.com/5147589/uk-spends-bi ... -read-them" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[mikeintexas]

Just thinking, if the government is going to run a program like this, what could go wrong....

[marksiwel]

Just thinking, if the government is going to run a program like this, what could go wrong....

Dole it out to Private Companies for all I care, like Visa

[Mike1951]

This is exactly what the Real ID was supposed to do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The REAL ID Act of 2005 is a U.S. federal law that imposes certain security, authentication, and issuance procedures standards for the state driver's licenses and state ID cards, for them to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes", as defined by the Secretary of Homeland Security. The Secretary of Homeland Security has defined "official purposes" as presenting state driver's licenses and identification cards for boarding commercially operated airline flights and entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants.

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As of October 2009[update], 25 states have approved either resolutions or binding legislation not to participate in the program, and with President Obama's selection of Janet Napolitano (a prominent critic of the program) to head the Department of Homeland Security, the future of the law remains uncertain,[2] and bills have been introduced into Congress to amend or repeal it.[

Even without personal medical info, it was too objectional for the states to adopt.

[jmra]

Cards can be lost or stolen. I'm thinking everyone should be required to have a barcode tatted on their forehead or maybe if you are not into tats it could be on the palm of your hand. Umm, did I read about that somewhere?

[mikeintexas]

Cards can be lost or stolen. I'm thinking everyone should be required to have a barcode tatted on their forehead or maybe if you are not into tats it could be on the palm of your hand. Umm, did I read about that somewhere?

I had a microchip put in my bird dog....