a CHL holder involved in a shooting at a Waffle House in Tul

kw5kw · Post by **kw5kw** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:21 am

A man was shot in the leg at the Waffle House in Tulsa, however, he was not the one being targeted--he was just washing the windows.

The story (after a commercial) is found here: http://www.kotv.com/e-clips/?id=3640

Turns out the cigarette lighter looked very much like a real pistol.

Practice, practice, practice on shot placement, that's all I have to say.

Russ

Diode · Post by **Diode** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:38 am

Not enough details but the CHL holder went outside with the other guy? Not wise at all.

Mithras61 · Post by **Mithras61** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:45 am

Personally, I suspect that the owner of the "lighter" gun was probably waving it around like it was a firearm. It just looks to me like another idiot handling a toy with the intent that it be perceived as a firearm, and was taken seriously by someone who didn't know it was "only a toy."

I've seen some of those lighters that look exactly like a .25 or .32, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't wait to make sure it wasn't real.

kw5kw · Post by **kw5kw** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:56 am

Diode wrote:Not enough details but the CHL holder went outside with the other guy? Not wise at all.

When one tries to leave the scene (CCW according to the story) that's abandoning the confrontation.

(here's the written link) http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=112191 to the story...

kotv wrote: Tulsa Shooting Sends A Restaurant Employee To The Hospital
KOTV - 10/5/2006 6:18 AM - Updated 10/5/2006 8:47 AM
A man is in a Tulsa hospital after being shot while working at a Tulsa Waffle House, but he wasn't the intended target.

It happened at about 5:30 PM Wednesday at the restaurant at 51st and Peoria.

Tulsa Police say two men exchanged words inside. One man followed the other one out into the parking lot and pulled out what looked like a gun. It turns out; it was a replica cigarette lighter. The other man, who happened to have a concealed carry permit, pulled out a real gun and fired two shots. He missed, but hit a 37 year old employee inside the restaurant.

The two men were arrested, but it's not clear what charges there will be. Tulsa Police Captain Rick Helberg: "What we're going to do is, we're going to treat it like any other shooting, work the scene very thoroughly and then forward the case down to the DA's office to figure out what charges if any to file."

The shooting victim is expected to be OK.

Now, when the guy with the lighter followed him (also according to the story) and pulled his "lighter" then I see no fault with the CCW pulling his weapon.

The fault I see here is a failure to hit your target; i.e.: practice, practice, practice.

Russ

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edited to add the written news story.

Diode · Post by **Diode** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:00 am

kw5kw wrote:
Diode wrote:Not enough details but the CHL holder went outside with the other guy? Not wise at all.
When one tries to leave the scene (CCW according to the story) that's abandoning the confrontation.

Now, when the guy with the lighter followed him (also according to the story) and pulled his "lighter" then I see no fault with the CCW pulling his weapon.

The fault I see here is a failure to hit your target; i.e.: practice, practice, practice.

Russ

I stand corrected, I misunderstood the news caster.

The written version did clear that part up.

Lucky45 · Post by **Lucky45** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:55 am

kw5kw wrote:

The fault I see here is a failure to hit your target; i.e.: practice, practice, practice.

I agree with you 120% and also know what is beyond your target.
My wife wants to know why I have to handle my pistol almost daily. I told her that dry fire is part of my exercise routine, just like jogging.

Side bar, if he is not charged, then he should contact to injured worker and try to take care of his medical treatment out of good faith.

And this just popped in my head. Might make you go hmmmmmm. I was just wondering if MAYBE, NOW MAYBE, that employee was just trying to be nosy and pretended like he was washing the window to see what was about to happen and he saw up front and personal. Because you know there had to be a loud commotion going on in there. But just my opinion. Wasn't wishing it on the worker. But main reason for not rubbernecking and being nosy in life. People always want to run to a fight.

dihappy · Post by **dihappy** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:45 am

the fault I see is following the man outside to begin with.

kw5kw · Post by **kw5kw** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:09 pm

dihappy wrote:the fault I see is following the man outside to begin with.

That would have been the bad guy.

JKDubb · Post by **JKDubb** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:35 pm

Practice, practice, practice...

If I pull out my piece I plan on hitting the BG not anything else.

I know, i know, i know the stress, the stress, the stress.

Regular training will make you a natural, I am a soldier and that is what I live by.