Another reason we carry.

[VoiceofReason]

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Crazy, just crazy.

[cheezit]

saadly this type of thing seems to be getting worse and worse. Its starting to feel more and more like Los Angles to me.

[Mike1951]

From the cuts received, the victim was standing. I would not have left my vehicle.

[VoiceofReason]

From the cuts received, the victim was standing. I would not have left my vehicle.

I don’t know. I might think that if he had a gun I would not want him shooting into the car when my child was with me. Better him shooting at me outside the car.

Just something else to consider.

One other thing when I am waiting for my wife in the car in a parking lot, even for a few minutes, I always take my seat belt off just in case I have to get out of the car in a big hurry. I recommend this to everyone.

[Mike1951]

From the cuts received, the victim was standing. I would not have left my vehicle.

I don’t know. I might think that if he had a gun I would not want him shooting into the car when my child was with me. Better him shooting at me outside the car.

Just something else to consider.

One other thing when I am waiting for my wife in the car in a parking lot, even for a few minutes, I always take my seat belt off just in case I have to get out of the car in a big hurry. I recommend this to everyone.

But he didn't produce a gun. He had a knife and cut the victim's right arm and stomach??.

The car would have provided a means of escape. The car door might have provided all of the protection to stop the knife assault.

[The Annoyed Man]

From the cuts received, the victim was standing. I would not have left my vehicle.

I don’t know. I might think that if he had a gun I would not want him shooting into the car when my child was with me. Better him shooting at me outside the car.

Just something else to consider.

One other thing when I am waiting for my wife in the car in a parking lot, even for a few minutes, I always take my seat belt off just in case I have to get out of the car in a big hurry. I recommend this to everyone.

But he didn't produce a gun. He had a knife and cut the victim's right arm and stomach??.

The car would have provided a means of escape. The car door might have provided all of the protection to stop the knife assault.

I gotta go with Mike on this one. A car provides both a protective barrier and an escape... ...and if need be, it makes a dandy weapon too. For the victim to have been cut on his right arm and abdomen, it seems probable that he exited his vehicle. If that is the case, then in retrospect, it seems to have been an ill-considered move.

Of course it is always easier for us to Monday morning quarterback a situation than to have actually had to be in that situation, but that still has value for us as an educational tool to expand our own knowledge base and inform the way we will react if ever faced with a similar circumstance.

[cubbyjg]

Why was he "concerned" about the suspect's actions? Im a little hazy about why the guy even pulled into the whataburger instead of just changing his route and continue driving.

[Fangs]

Continuing on while someone's trying to run you off the road in their beat up old pickup truck isn't that appealing to me. I agree that a Whataburger parking lot probably wasn't the best decision either. Who doesn't have a cell phone these days? Call 911, pretend to stop, wait for the guy to get out of his vehicle then take off. I think the victim most likely got out to explain/apologize, and in this case it was a mistake. Also, if he's stalling his car at a light, then he might not be proficient in its use, thus giving him more reason to pull over.

[VoiceofReason]

Well if I did not have my wife or child in the car I would probably have stayed in it. If I did have family in the car, I would have gotten out and away from the car so if the crazy started shooting it would be at me and not me and my family.

The glass windows in a car will only slow down and deflect the first two or three bullets and most car doors will not stop all bullets fired. I shot through a car door once and most shots went through. The only ones that were stopped were the ones that hit the inside door frame. I shot at the back window. The bullets just made holes in the back window, shattered the windshield, and kept on going.

One other little tactic I will pass along just for consideration. I was patrolling with a deputy at night many years ago. He had excellent “street survival” skills. We noticed a guy walking along a highway at two or three in the morning. We stopped and the guy walked up to the patrol car window. I noticed that while my partner was talking to him with the window down, he had his left arm on the window and with his right hand he had his gun pointed at the guy through the door. The guy never saw the gun in the dark car and my partner was also hiding it with his left arm.

Again, just something else for the consideration of those that read the posts here.

[lowonair]

someone needs to let the local police department know that the truck is more than likely not a dodge. dodge hasnt made stepside beds on their trucks in many years.

[The Annoyed Man]

One other little tactic I will pass along just for consideration. I was patrolling with a deputy at night many years ago. He had excellent “street survival” skills. We noticed a guy walking along a highway at two or three in the morning. We stopped and the guy walked up to the patrol car window. I noticed that while my partner was talking to him with the window down, he had his left arm on the window and with his right hand he had his gun pointed at the guy through the door. The guy never saw the gun in the dark car and my partner was also hiding it with his left arm.

Again, just something else for the consideration of those that read the posts here.

Back when I worked in the ER, an LEO friend of mine was brought in as a patient with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He did exactly what your friend did. After the contact with the civilian passed, he was reholstering his weapon while still seated in the squad car, and the pistol - a revolver stoked with .38 Special +P by the way - discharged into the outside of his upper right thigh. The bullet exited on the inside of his thigh, just above the knee. It missed his femoral artery, by sheer luck. The blast blew fragments of holster and pants into the wound channel, and my friend spent several days in hospital, dealing with a raging wound infection with IV antibiotics.

I'm not saying don't do what your friend did, but I am saying that if you do, please be careful and think through the reholstering process first. Be willing to exit the vehicle before doing so if that will enable you to reholster more safely. Also provided for the consideration of those who read the posts here.

[Mike1951]

Well if I did not have my wife or child in the car I would probably have stayed in it. If I did have family in the car, I would have gotten out and away from the car so if the crazy started shooting it would be at me and not me and my family.

The glass windows in a car will only slow down and deflect the first two or three bullets and most car doors will not stop all bullets fired. I shot through a car door once and most shots went through. The only ones that were stopped were the ones that hit the inside door frame. I shot at the back window. The bullets just made holes in the back window, shattered the windshield, and kept on going.

Again, your responses assume a gun. That was not the case here. Admittedly, the BG could have broken a window, but there were no bullets.

As defense against a knife armed opponent, I stand by my recommendation to remain in the vehicle.

[VoiceofReason]

Wow, talk about having a bad day. It sounds like your friend was lucky though. It could have been just a whole lot worse had the bullet hit the femoral artery. I have to wonder though what make of 38 he was carrying and if he had his finger on the trigger while reholstering. I am not recommending this tactic to anyone. Just something to keep filed away in the back of the mind in case a situation ever warrants it.

I carry a 1911 in a shoulder holster with a denim vest over it for numerous reasons. I have found it to be comfortable as the weight is spread over a large area of the shoulder and the 45 is much easier to get to sitting down. An ITP holster I have rides my pants down. Another + for the shoulder rig.

I have never had to do it but if threatened, I could probably put my hand in my vest on the grip while telling the BG to get back and he would probably get the idea without me having to draw it or without him ever seeing it.

Now before I get flamed for not drawing if I feel threatened, many years ago I was at a beach with my family when four or five young guys that were drinking started throwing mud at each other and hit some children. I called the park rangers and they told them to leave then went away. These guys were talking about kicking my butt. I told my wife to pack up and we would go somewhere else. While she packed, I sat down, put my hand in a beach bag and just looked at them. It dawned on them I might have something in the bag and they left peacefully.

I wasn’t bluffing. I could have had it out before they got to me, but just the sight of it would have cleared the beach. Problem solved without an uproar.