Hexsite System For Glocks

[Excaliber]

A number of innovative sight systems based on research into how we see are under development.

Brownell's is now carrying one called the Hexsite system, which consists of a hexagonal ghost ring for the rear site and a stippled patridge type ramp front.

I just saw info on it for the first time today, and I have no experience with it . I would be interested to hear if anyone has used it and how they felt it compares to older open and ghost ring systems.

[gringop]

I have not used it but I will comment that ring, ghost ring or peep sights work best when the ring is close to the eye and the front sight is quite a distance from the ring. This prevents the eye from focusing on the ring and allows the eye to naturally center in the ring while keeping a hard focus on the front sight. Works great on rifles and shotguns.

On a handgun, the ring and front sight are at arms length, there is only 5" distance between the front and rear sights, you must consciously focus on the front sight and there is no natural centering of the eye in the ring.

IMHO ghost rings are worthless on pistols.

Gringop

[pbwalker]

There was a good discussion on these very sights about a month ago.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=36071

Basically, rear sights don't matter in a defensive situation.

[Excaliber]

There was a good discussion on these very sights about a month ago.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=36071

Basically, rear sights don't matter in a defensive situation.

Sorry, guys - I missed that thread.

Under current training doctrine and with standard sights, getting a flash sight picture of the front sight superimposed on the target is about the ideal scenario, and those who haven't trained extensively with this usually revert to a non sighted version of point shooting or whatever the latest label for that is. From my own experience, it's extremely difficult to do more than that under combat conditions, and I've never met anyone who used both front and rear sights in a close up engagement.

I have not tried any type of ghost ring or red dot sight on a pistol, so I was curious if anyone had. The comments in the other thread were all good points, and I agree it wouldn't be worth spending money on a hexsite.

[pbwalker]

There was a good discussion on these very sights about a month ago.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=36071

Basically, rear sights don't matter in a defensive situation.

Sorry, guys - I missed that thread.

Under current training doctrine and with standard sights, getting a flash sight picture of the front sight superimposed on the target is about the ideal scenario, and those who haven't trained extensively with this usually revert to a non sighted version of point shooting or whatever the latest label for that is. From my own experience, it's extremely difficult to do more than that under combat conditions, and I've never met anyone who used both front and rear sights in a close up engagement.

I have not tried any type of ghost ring or red dot sight on a pistol, so I was curious if anyone had. The comments in the other thread were all good points, and I agree it wouldn't be worth spending money on a hexsite.

Heck, no apologies needed! At least it wasn't another "Is this sign legal" thread!

I was shown that, in a CQB situation, the backend of the slide assembly (of my Glock at least) suffices for a "Sight Picture". If that area superimposes the threat, it will hit. So I've personally stopped training for 'dead accurate' and for more of a technique kind of shooting. As most encounters are within arms reach, it was logical for me.

Now, that's not to discount accuracy. But I believe that I've reached a level where I am comfortable with my side arm and its accuracy. Standing at a firing line and shooting a 10-ring is a waste of time for me these days (when it comes to my EDC). I'm not looking to take the wig off of Washington (on a quarter), but I'd like to be comfortable with a threat at 10+ yards.

If I want to plink for sniper accuracy, that's what my .17HMR and .22LR are for.

[Excaliber]

There was a good discussion on these very sights about a month ago.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=36071

Basically, rear sights don't matter in a defensive situation.

Sorry, guys - I missed that thread.

Under current training doctrine and with standard sights, getting a flash sight picture of the front sight superimposed on the target is about the ideal scenario, and those who haven't trained extensively with this usually revert to a non sighted version of point shooting or whatever the latest label for that is. From my own experience, it's extremely difficult to do more than that under combat conditions, and I've never met anyone who used both front and rear sights in a close up engagement.

I have not tried any type of ghost ring or red dot sight on a pistol, so I was curious if anyone had. The comments in the other thread were all good points, and I agree it wouldn't be worth spending money on a hexsite.

Heck, no apologies needed! At least it wasn't another "Is this sign legal" thread!

I was shown that, in a CQB situation, the backend of the slide assembly (of my Glock at least) suffices for a "Sight Picture". If that area superimposes the threat, it will hit. So I've personally stopped training for 'dead accurate' and for more of a technique kind of shooting. As most encounters are within arms reach, it was logical for me.

Now, that's not to discount accuracy. But I believe that I've reached a level where I am comfortable with my side arm and its accuracy. Standing at a firing line and shooting a 10-ring is a waste of time for me these days (when it comes to my EDC). I'm not looking to take the wig off of Washington (on a quarter), but I'd like to be comfortable with a threat at 10+ yards.

If I want to plink for sniper accuracy, that's what my .17HMR and .22LR are for.

Thanks, Pb.

During quick shooting practice I also see the rear end of the slide assembly, and a good portion of the time I see enough of the rear sight to be able to remember where the front sight was in relation to it when the gun fired. I don't make any attempt to adjust for sight picture at that point, but it is useful for technique refinement. I'm also quite certain that I wouldn't be able to do that in an actual encounter.

I also practice shooting by focusing on a preselected point on the target, bringing the gun up to eye level, and firing while maintaining an intense target focus with no attempt to use the sights at all. When practiced, it is very quick and quite accurate out to about 5 yards. If you want to try it, get some of those 1 inch around fluorescent dot stickers and put them at various points on your targets. In a real situation, a button, pocket, letter, or image on the adversary's clothing provides the point of reference.