Threat as justifiable force

[txinvestigator]

Does anyone have a good place to purchase OC? My wife has a small one she carries on a her key chain. We have a small can in each vehicle. I am sure it is time to change those out and I am sure they are making better spray by now.

My wife and I each carry one of these. http://www.copquest.com/21-1400.htm

The inserts are replaceable.

I also carry a can in the car.

[carlson1]

Does anyone have a good place to purchase OC? My wife has a small one she carries on a her key chain. We have a small can in each vehicle. I am sure it is time to change those out and I am sure they are making better spray by now.

My wife and I each carry one of these. http://www.copquest.com/21-1400.htm

The inserts are replaceable.

I also carry a can in the car.

Thanks TX. I will be looking into buying us some more. These are the ones we have now. http://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/pepp ... ychain.htm

I do not know what the "shelf" life is, but we have had these for almost a year and a half.

[Rex B]

Where do you live?

Someone has suggest a store that supplies law enforcement.
There is such a store near me in Ft Worth.

Supposedly the stoutest OC is Fox 5.3?

[longtooth]

I need easy. Comp-Tac carries Fox OC. It is $15.50 for the 2oz can. That is where I get mine. They are good for 2 yrs. There is no reason to worry about a couple of months. I do mine on my birthday every odd yr. C-T is close & a good place to do business. Turn around is only a couple of days.
Same here for the ladies. Mom & Wife bothe carry. I keep my old one in the truck for back up.

edit: you know you are a Redneck when you post the above & when it shows on the board you notice it is your 1911 th post.

[carlson1]

I live in Irving. Cheaper Than Dirt sells the Fox 5.3, but they post that it is illegal in Texas?

[nitrogen]

I live in Irving. Cheaper Than Dirt sells the Fox 5.3, but they post that it is illegal in Texas?

Texas law (at least from what I know of it)

§ 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures,
transports, repairs, or sells:
(1) an explosive weapon;
(2) a machine gun;
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
(4) a firearm silencer;
(5) a switchblade knife;
(6) knuckles;
(7) armor-piercing ammunition;
(8) a chemical dispensing device; or
(9) a zip gun.

(14) "Chemicaldispensing device" means a device,
other than a small chemical dispenser sold commercially for
personal protection, that is designed, made, or adapted for the
purpose of dispensing a substance capable of causing an adverse
psychological or physiological effect on a human being.

I don't know if "small chemicla dispenser" is legally defined in detail, as a device under/over a certain ounce.

[nitrogen]

whoops double post.

[oilman]

Well heck, then what could I do in this situation:


Walking to walmart, talking to girl. Random guy walks up and asks for money or something. I say no. He gets mad and starts walking faster towards me screaming obscenaties or "I'm gonna kick your ***!" type stuff. I have my handgun and pocket knife. Use of both would constitute the use of deadly force. All he's doing is walking over and verbally threatening.

What can I do? Just say "please stop coming over" and if he doesn't let him start hitting me before I can do anything to protect myself? I'm a small dude (5'6" 145). I was hoping that section I apparently misunderstood would allow me to keep crazy people from even getting close to me.

If you believe allowing him to strike you OR pulling your weapon are your only options then you need to get additional training. And I don't mean this to be an attack on you, I write it for your legal protection.

There are many things you can do. You should place your hand out and in a loud firm voice you tell to to stop and not come closer. Say that you feel threatened and will defend yourself. Tell the girl, in a loud voice, to call 911.

You do all of this loudly because you want people around you to hear. You want proof that you attempted to de-escalate.

You are not required to allow him to strike you before you defend yourself. However, you need to have less-lethal options at your disposal. That is why MANY of us carry OC. I have years of martial arts training, and I am pretty confident in my ability to defend myself; however, I will use OC in a heartbeat before I would go hands on.

All of that said, pulling a weapon at the point where is he yelling at you and approaching would likely get you arrested. Let us assume that you DO produce a weapon and he says, "oh, what are YOU gonna do, shoot me? He continues to walk up on you. Now you have a weapon in your hand you really cannot legally use.

Would you shoot him? At what distance? What is your legal justification?

No, it is incumbent upon those who carry the means to take life also have a means of defense that is not designed to kill.

And as a second point,

I was hoping that section I apparently misunderstood would allow me to keep crazy people from even getting close to me

. Crazy people? You want to pull you gun whenever a "crazy" person approaches you? That statement is a prosecutors dream.

Good post. Unfortunately I have a family member (student) living in Boston. As a non-resident of Massachusetts he cannot obtain the necessary permits to carry pepper spray (as far as I can tell).

Any suggestions?

[txinvestigator]

Well heck, then what could I do in this situation:


Walking to walmart, talking to girl. Random guy walks up and asks for money or something. I say no. He gets mad and starts walking faster towards me screaming obscenaties or "I'm gonna kick your ***!" type stuff. I have my handgun and pocket knife. Use of both would constitute the use of deadly force. All he's doing is walking over and verbally threatening.

What can I do? Just say "please stop coming over" and if he doesn't let him start hitting me before I can do anything to protect myself? I'm a small dude (5'6" 145). I was hoping that section I apparently misunderstood would allow me to keep crazy people from even getting close to me.

If you believe allowing him to strike you OR pulling your weapon are your only options then you need to get additional training. And I don't mean this to be an attack on you, I write it for your legal protection.

There are many things you can do. You should place your hand out and in a loud firm voice you tell to to stop and not come closer. Say that you feel threatened and will defend yourself. Tell the girl, in a loud voice, to call 911.

You do all of this loudly because you want people around you to hear. You want proof that you attempted to de-escalate.

You are not required to allow him to strike you before you defend yourself. However, you need to have less-lethal options at your disposal. That is why MANY of us carry OC. I have years of martial arts training, and I am pretty confident in my ability to defend myself; however, I will use OC in a heartbeat before I would go hands on.

All of that said, pulling a weapon at the point where is he yelling at you and approaching would likely get you arrested. Let us assume that you DO produce a weapon and he says, "oh, what are YOU gonna do, shoot me? He continues to walk up on you. Now you have a weapon in your hand you really cannot legally use.

Would you shoot him? At what distance? What is your legal justification?

No, it is incumbent upon those who carry the means to take life also have a means of defense that is not designed to kill.

And as a second point,

I was hoping that section I apparently misunderstood would allow me to keep crazy people from even getting close to me

. Crazy people? You want to pull you gun whenever a "crazy" person approaches you? That statement is a prosecutors dream.

Good post. Unfortunately I have a family member (student) living in Boston. As a non-resident of Massachusetts he cannot obtain the necessary permits to carry pepper spray (as far as I can tell).

Any suggestions?

Not without knowing the law there.

However, a basic principle of self defense is that one may use the same of level of force being used against you and up to one level of force higher.

Here is the best generic use of force explanation I could find;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force