VA hospital ?

sjones · Post by **sjones** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:53 pm

Just curious,I went to the VA hospital t get all registered this AM and didn't see any kind of signs for weapons,one for no smoking,but none for guns or knives.Would it be legal to carry there ?I wasn't carrying,as I left mine in the car as I wasn't sure,not sure if I would ever need one there.Crazy vet maybe? sj

DaveT · Post by **DaveT** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:40 pm

VA Hospitals are Federal Property.

No Carry.

No way.

No how.

Nada.

VA Police SGT at the VA facility I go to told me that they do not have the right to search someone "coming in" to the facility, but once you are inside the doors, you have given "implied consent by entry" to a search and they can certanly do so. Get caught with a weapon inside a VA facility and you face a Federal Judge.

Not something I would want to do in this day and age.

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:16 pm

DaveT wrote:VA Police SGT at the VA facility I go to told me that they do not have the right to search someone "coming in" to the facility, but once you are inside the doors, you have given "implied consent by entry" to a search and they can certanly do so.

I'd challenge that sergeant. VA Police are just like police everywhere: no unwarranted searches allowed without PC, Terry, or incident to arrest.

What he may have intended to say but, didn't (because he was confused, lied, or intentionally "muddled" his authority) was that all visitors may be searched as a condition of entry. All visitors are free to refuse a search, and anyone refusing a search will be required to leave.

As for the other stuff... yeah, being found with a gun will get you an appointment with a federal magistrate.

Kevin

sjones · Post by **sjones** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:47 pm

What about a pocket knife,blade under 3 INCH? SJ

ElGato · Post by **ElGato** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:18 pm

I go there all the time and don't carry but I do carry my knife's and OC.

lrb111 · Post by **lrb111** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:12 pm

KBCraig wrote: PC, Terry, or incident to arrest.
Kevin

Kevin, I have no LEO background, can you explain those terms for me please?

Thanks,
Larry

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:46 pm

lrb111 wrote:
KBCraig wrote: PC, Terry, or incident to arrest.
Kevin
Kevin, I have no LEO background, can you explain those terms for me please?

PC = Probable Cause
Terry = Terry v. Ohio
Incident to arrest: when a person is being arrested, the officer may search them and their immediate belongings, and inventory them.

Kevin

lrb111 · Post by **lrb111** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:11 pm

Cool, thanks. I'll read Terry vs Ohio

later,
Larry