Confiscation Of Guns In New Orleans

Post by **carlson1** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:02 am

I do not know if anyone has seen this before, if so it will not hurt to post again. I guess this elderly woman was a threat. If it could happen there it could happen any where.

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308nato · Post by **308nato** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:58 pm

The NRA sent me the CD when I renewed early my subscription.
I havent had a chance to look at it yet but from the discription they
gave its not pretty.

TexasAggie · Post by **TexasAggie** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:26 pm

I assume you can't buy a NEW gun without "registerng" it?? Is there any advantage to not registering a gun besides the obvious of confiscation?

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:51 pm

TexasAggie wrote:I assume you can't buy a NEW gun without "registerng" it?? Is there any advantage to not registering a gun besides the obvious of confiscation?

There is no registration in Louisiana (nor Texas, nor 41 (?) other states).

The police in New Orleans didn't use registration lists. They just went door to door, searching and seizing any guns found.

Stunts like that make me wonder if Claire Wolfe was wrong: maybe it's not too early.

Kevin

TexasAggie · Post by **TexasAggie** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:46 pm

Bass Pro and others will make you sign forms that run background etc and one of those forms go to the Feds, according to the stores I've called. Is this not the same thing?

Mike1951 · Post by **Mike1951** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:05 am

NOT registration and never has been.

The 4473 (originally yellow and 1 page, now white and several pages) remains at the dealer's business. Should that dealer cease operations, his 4473's and bound book are sent to the BATFE. They SHOULD remain in storage, without the information being complied or computerized.

Since you're here in this forum, I assume you have a CHL, which in Texas and quite a few other states, eliminates the dealer doing a background check on you.

Should the authorities need to trace a particular firearm, they start at the manufacturer, then distributor, then dealer and then must retreive the info from the dealer's on site records. Obviously, this only works if the original buyer still owns the weapon.

TexasAggie · Post by **TexasAggie** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:13 am

I'm on here to learn as much as I can (hence my ignorant questions

). So, when people freak about the gov't "knowing" where our guns are, should I worry about anything since I want to buy a new one from a dealer? I always hear about not registering a gun is best, but I don't know how this is possible if I go through a dealer.

FYI-don't have the CHL yet, but got the paper work in the mail today. I plan on taking a basic gun course first, then the CHL.

Post by **carlson1** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:49 am

TexasAggie wrote:I'm on here to learn as much as I can (hence my ignorant questions ). So, when people freak about the gov't "knowing" where our guns are, should I worry about anything since I want to buy a new one from a dealer? I always hear about not registering a gun is best, but I don't know how this is possible if I go through a dealer.

FYI-don't have the CHL yet, but got the paper work in the mail today. I plan on taking a basic gun course first, then the CHL.

Never an ignorant question. The Yellow Sheet (Now White) stays in the stores. The only time "Feds" see it, is if the audit a dealer or the weapon is used in a crime. That is not registration. Every one including LEO's fill out the form.

TexasAggie · Post by **TexasAggie** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:58 am

carlson1 wrote:
TexasAggie wrote:I'm on here to learn as much as I can (hence my ignorant questions ). So, when people freak about the gov't "knowing" where our guns are, should I worry about anything since I want to buy a new one from a dealer? I always hear about not registering a gun is best, but I don't know how this is possible if I go through a dealer.

FYI-don't have the CHL yet, but got the paper work in the mail today. I plan on taking a basic gun course first, then the CHL.
Never an ignorant question. The Yellow Sheet (Now White) stays in the stores. The only time "Feds" see it, is if the audit a dealer or the weapon is used in a crime. That is not registration. Every one including LEO's fill out the form.

What then, IS "registration" that I should be wary of??

GlockenHammer · Post by **GlockenHammer** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:10 am

Imagine the Feds (or others) taking all of the 4473s and creating a database. Basically any government list that has your name associated with your gun that can now be searched for any purpose. (By law, the Feds are not supposed to have and archive this information--that would be 'registration').

So, there was a crime committed with a Glock 9mm. Let's go talk to all of the folks in TX that have a Glock 9mm and find out where they were on 14 November, 2006 at approximately 0:08 hours.

Or, there's been a devastating hurricane. Let's go round up all of the guns to make sure there's no crime while we figure out what to do.

TexasAggie · Post by **TexasAggie** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:19 am

So I assume then that when I go to DFW Gun Range (as an example) and purchase my new gun through them, then ALL gov't authorities will know any, and all, pertinent info and can find it and me, correct?

In other words, by buying it new, it's now "registered"??
Dohhhh!!!

Mike1951 · Post by **Mike1951** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:31 am

Creation of such a database is forbidden by law.

There were reports during the Clinton admin that the Brady check information was being retained in violation of Federal law.

Facing a Democratic Congress, who know's what will happen.

But for now, your Brady info cannot be retained more than 24 hours and the 4473 goes no further than the dealer.

Subscribe to the reports provided by NRA-ILA, GOA, TSRA to be made aware of possible changes to the security of this information and other threats. Then be diligent about writing your legislators.

Commander · Post by **Commander** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:22 am

Mike

I think you might be correct on the Brady information being retained during the Clinton Administration. I seem to remember some type of "uproar" on the part of the Anti's when then new Attorney General John Ashcroft stopped the practice.

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:26 am

Humph, the Attorney General ceasing an unlawful practice. How dare he!!!

Post by **Charles L. Cotton** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:36 am

TexasAggie wrote:So I assume then that when I go to DFW Gun Range (as an example) and purchase my new gun through them, then ALL gov't authorities will know any, and all, pertinent info and can find it and me, correct?

In other words, by buying it new, it's now "registered"??
Dohhhh!!!

No, it not registered. If the gun is used in a crime and is recovered by the police, they can request a trace. The manufacturer will be contacted to learn the identity of the distributor who bought the gun. The distributor will then be contacted to see which FFL received the gun. The FFL will then be contacted to see who he sold it to. You will then be contacted by the authorities about your gun and you will tell them you sold it to someone, or that it was stolen or lost, etc. The trace is then over. (This presumes you don't live in a state that requires all transfers to go though an FFL, or that doesn't require state registration of guns.)

Chas.