DAO Guns

[CainA]

It seems a lot of guns are going this way and since I'm pretty old school(single action only(1911 style)) or at the very least DA/SA(DA first shot all subsiquent shots SA) I want to know any opinions on how difficult the adjustment is? I'm eyeballing a Ruger SR9c, but from my research they're DAO and anytime I read DAO, I think of a revolver action and I don't know how keen I am with that. So any old schoolers that'd like to chime in with advice I'd like to hear it.

Thanks,
-Cain

[Beiruty]

Actually, many new pistol are Glock type pistol, that is they are called striker fired. There is no hammer and you do not have a DA at all (no second chance).

The only adjustment, is that you have rack after each malfunction which is not a bad idea anyway.

[terryg]

It seems a lot of guns are going this way and since I'm pretty old school(single action only(1911 style)) or at the very least DA/SA(DA first shot all subsiquent shots SA) I want to know any opinions on how difficult the adjustment is? I'm eyeballing a Ruger SR9c, but from my research they're DAO and anytime I read DAO, I think of a revolver action and I don't know how keen I am with that. So any old schoolers that'd like to chime in with advice I'd like to hear it.

Thanks,
-Cain

The SR9c is not DAO. It uses a partially cocked striker mechanism similar to (and made famous by) the Glock. I own the SR9c and absolutely love it.

[bigred90gt]

My buddy just bought an SR9c this weekend at the gun show, and I'm pretty stoked to get to shoot it. It looks like a really nice pistol. He doesnt know much about handguns, so I'm going to go with him and help him out, and put some lead down range with it.

[cbr600]

My pocket guns are DAO. My larger autos are SA or striker. I never understood the appeal of inconsistent trigger pulls.

[RPB]

Taurus PT709 is the opposite, first and all following shots are SA, however, it has double strike capability DA for hard primers etc.

Overall, I dislike DAO, I think I sold or traded all I used to own.

I prefer 1911 types or PT92 (DA->SA, or cocked and locked) or PT709 (SA->SA/DA) types in 9mm, but have a lot of striker fired, and carry a Glock 26 normally.

[Droshi]

I like SA/DA guns...glocks and 1911 style make me a bit nervous. It's probably an unfounded fear, but I feel the longer DA pull gives some safety in holstering/drawing.

DAO guns are simply called that I believe even if they are a slide-cocked striker because of the longer pull.

[Zoomie]

Strikers Fired? that'll teach those unions...

Oh you mean THOSE strikers, no thanks.

[Salty1]

My favorite gun is a Sig P250, DAO, it has a hammer. All my carry guns are now some version of a DA trigger. I like and want the double hit capability rather than rack the slide a bit to hit again or have to do a malfunction drill. If one can master a DAO trigger then they can shoot anything with accuracy, the longer trigger pull makes the shooter concentrate on the trigger and the sights at the right time to hit where intended. Many SA/DA shooters cannot hit with accuracy on the first shot. With DA triggers one does not require a safety which is 1 less thing to worry about in a SD situation.

[Humanphibian]

Taurus PT709 is the opposite, first and all following shots are SA, however, it has double strike capability DA for hard primers etc.

Overall, I dislike DAO, I think I sold or traded all I used to own.

I prefer 1911 types or PT92 (DA->SA, or cocked and locked) or PT709 (SA->SA/DA) types in 9mm, but have a lot of striker fired, and carry a Glock 26 normally.

Isn't the PT709 a striker fired pistol? Unless I am mistaken it utilizes a non tensioned striker (with block to prevent inertia contact with primer) and when the trigger is pulled it grabs the striker pulling it rearward (1st action) and at the end of the trigger stroke the bar descends releasing the striker (2nd action).

not trying to pick apart your statement, just wondering if I missed something....

[RPB]

It is striker fired. It is SA->SA, unless you get a dud/hard primer, in which case it goes DA for the double strike, then back to SA if it fires, etc etc. That's why I used the slash for an "or" SA->SA/DA->SA/DA.

But, "single-action/with double strike + double action capability" might be probably the most accurate description

Jeff explains it better than I can.
http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-PT709.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The 709 is a striker-fired action, and the trigger system is like a true double action/single action design. Normally, that means that the first shot is fired in the double action mode, with subsequent shots fired single action, as the slide cocks the striker when operated, but in the 709, it is fired single action every time, and the double action is there as a backup, in the event that a cartridge fails to fire on the first pull of the trigger. In other words, the trigger system has double-strike capability. The slide does not have to cock the action before the trigger can be pulled again, allowing the shooter to try again if a dud cartridge does not fire on the first pull.

This is also in most reviews

http://practicalprepping.wordpress.com/ ... nd-photos/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The PT709 is a striker-fired weapon with an interesting single-action/double action capability. When a round is chambered, the trigger pull is always about 5-6 lbs in single action mode. However, if a round fails to fire, the PT709 allows a second pull of the trigger in double-action mode (about 6-7lbs) without racking the slide. It offers a true double-strike capability on a dud round without cycling the slide.

The PT709 has a nicely positioned thumb safety (like a 1911) and a trigger safety like that of a Glock which allows for it to be safely carried with a round in the chamber. It also has a firing pin block to prevent the weapon from firing unless the trigger safety has been pressed. I like that safety redundancy

The Slim .40 version I'm sure is the same probably.
http://www.taurususa.com/product-detail ... series=700" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I just wish it had a more standard dovetail so I could replace the sights with some I prefer, other than that, it's great IMHO.

Also, though it probably doesn't "need" it, I like that it has a thumb safety in addition to the others. (I habitually swipe off the imaginary thumb safety on my Glock anyway)

[UpTheIrons]

I'm pretty old school(single action only(1911 style))
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I'm eyeballing a Ruger SR9c.

-Cain

I carry a 1911 and my wife just got an SR9c. I have absolutely no problem with the trigger on her gun - it is quite smooth and easy to pull, and I hear it gets even better after you shoot it quite a bit. I don't like DAO pistols, either, but the SR9c is a winner in my book - I'd carry it (if I wanted a pea shooter, that is ).

[USA1]

I'm pretty old school(single action only(1911 style))
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I'm eyeballing a Ruger SR9c.

-Cain

I carry a 1911 and my wife just got an SR9c. I have absolutely no problem with the trigger on her gun - it is quite smooth and easy to pull, and I hear it gets even better after you shoot it quite a bit. I don't like DAO pistols, either, but the SR9c is a winner in my book - I'd carry it (if I wanted a pea shooter, that is ).

I had a chance to shoot one on forum day and was
pleasantly surprised by how nice it was and how well it shoots.

The trigger was much smoother than I imagined it would be.

[CainA]

Thanks for the info. guys. I got the DAO from Buds website, so I guess they're mistaken. Here's what they have:

Specifications
Type Pistol
Action Double Action Only
Caliber 9 mm
Barrel Length 3.5"
Capacity 17 + 1
Safety Ambidextrous
Grips Synthetic
Sights 3-Dot
Weight 23.4 oz
Finish Stainless Steel

and here's the linky if anyone is interested:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... s_id/62287" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


-Cain

[Greybeard]

IIRC, the BATF may be who puts the stiriker-fired guns in the DAO category, for lack of a better category. However, the trigger reset distance can vary greatly. I believe on the SR9 it is pretty short (much like a Glock). But on the Kahrs, the trigger reset distance is similar to that of DAO revolvers.