Sig Sight Upgrade?

[chasfm11]

Ok, before I start...it's me, not the gun. But I've got to do something different to fix the "me" part.

Background.
- I have a P250 Compact
- I've had trouble shooting it low and left ever since I've owned it. Yes, I've looked at the "wheel" for fixing accuracy problems.
- I can shoot a very tight group - it is just low and left of the center of the target.

Events:
- I attended the Forum Day at PSC and TAM was kind enough to let me try one of his 1911s. I had tried plate shooting earlier that morning with my gun and wasn't very successful. With TAM's gun, I drilled all 6 plates with the first shot each - with gun that I'd never shot before and a heavier caliber to boot. (Please,this is not an opening for all of the 1911 fanatics to pile on and tell me to order one.)
- I recently purchased an LCP. I took it to the range to try it out. Even with the fact that I was getting used to the lighter gun with the harder kick, I shot it more accurately than my Sig - and in the center of the target.
- frustrated, I ordered a 9mm laser bore sight. I hoped that it would confirm what my problem was. It did. From a firm bench rest at 45 feet, the Sig sights are dead on. When I hold it, I can watch the laser bounce all around the target and I'm not seeing that change across the sight picture. I aimed the laser right at the bullseye and then looked back at the sight picture. I then tried to replicate that sight picture on my next draw. Try as I might, I'm not seeing the sights consistently. That is my accuracy problem, I believe.

The Sig has standard sights. If I had it to do over again, I'd have gotten night sights. I like the gun well enough to want to spend the money to upgrade the sights but I'm not sure with what.

I'm willing to accept guidance that says that I'm not going to fix my problem with new sights. I have to do something, however. I'm not ready to accept my current accuracy with the gun. If I need to work differently with the sights, I'm going to have to have some help. This is not something that I'm going to figure out on my own, I fear.

Input?

[CompVest]

Have you had anyone else shoot your Sig to see if it shoots the same for everyone?

[chasfm11]

Yes. Several people have shot it. One felt that it was shooting low (he didn't shoot enough to see if it was also to the left). Another shot it accurately but he was an excellent shot with lots and lots of experience.

The DAO trigger is definitely part of the accuracy picture. It is not a hard pull but it is a long one. I've personally worked diligently with that, trying multiple finger positions on the trigger but without any measurable success. Others commented about the long pull.

When I was working with the laser, i was not pulling the trigger (instructions say not to.) I was getting variations in aiming without pulling the trigger.

[gigag04]

Fiber optic sight maybe?

[chasfm11]

Fiber optic sight maybe?

I've looked at those. Here is one of the examples that was easy to find
http://www.opticsplanet.net/meprolight- ... dguns.html

What I was hoping for is someone with previous experience in changing to nightsights on a Sig and whether it made any difference. Just because it sounds like a good idea doesn't mean that I'm not going to end up with the same situation I have now. I'm intrigued by the two different color option but that may be more gimmick than solution.

[CompVest]

Yes. Several people have shot it. One felt that it was shooting low (he didn't shoot enough to see if it was also to the left).

Another shot it accurately but he was an excellent shot with lots and lots of experience.

The DAO trigger is definitely part of the accuracy picture. It is not a hard pull but it is a long one. I've personally worked diligently with that, trying multiple finger positions on the trigger but without any measurable success. Others commented about the long pull.

When I was working with the laser, i was not pulling the trigger (instructions say not to.) I was getting variations in aiming without pulling the trigger.

That is the one to pay attention to. If the gun shot true for your expert it isn't the gun or the sights. Sorry to say, it is the shooter! Most likely culprip is pulling the trigger too hard. However, there isn't anyway to tell sight unseen. the fact that you are grouping means that you are consistent with your trigger pull.

[chasfm11]

Yes. Several people have shot it. One felt that it was shooting low (he didn't shoot enough to see if it was also to the left).

Another shot it accurately but he was an excellent shot with lots and lots of experience.

The DAO trigger is definitely part of the accuracy picture. It is not a hard pull but it is a long one. I've personally worked diligently with that, trying multiple finger positions on the trigger but without any measurable success. Others commented about the long pull.

When I was working with the laser, i was not pulling the trigger (instructions say not to.) I was getting variations in aiming without pulling the trigger.

That is the one to pay attention to. If the gun shot true for your expert it isn't the gun or the sights. Sorry to say, it is the shooter! Most likely culprip is pulling the trigger too hard. However, there isn't anyway to tell sight unseen. the fact that you are grouping means that you are consistent with your trigger pull.

I understand your point. I started my post off by saying that it was the shooter not the gun. I understand and accept that. But I've been unable to fix it. My work with the laser indicates that it might have more to do with my eyes than with my trigger finger, The LCP trigger is not that much different than the Sig and I'm not pulling down and left. Sighting the whole barrel, I believe, may be one of the differences. On the 1911, the sights seemed to pop right into my eyes. On my current Sig sights, I have trouble quickly focusing on the the sights. That is one of the reasons that I felt changing the sights might help me to overcome MY problem.

[gfmun]

I have old eyes. The rest of me is fine . I have gone to a fiber optic front sight and made the rear sight opening bigger so I have more space on each side of the front sight when I am looking at it. This really helps me. I like the red fiber optic, but a lot of people like green. I do not like the 3 dot sets with one on each side of the rear sight and one on the front sight. Just plain black for the rear and the fiber optic on the front.

I might also suggest a grip device to make your grip stronger.

thanks and good luck,
George

[gwashorn]

I also shoot low left. Got some expert help and one thing right out of the gate was my left hand apparently SLIGHTLY lifts the palm/heal off of the grip as I shoot which pulls the shot low left. Some guns I am more prone to do that than others. Get a trainer to watch you or first experiment with the grip of the left hand, pressing it tightly as you pull. the long DAO trigger and letting go just a bit there may be the reason. Especially since you did not do it with the 1911. different grips and trigger pull and you may be reacting differently. Worth a check at least.

Gary

[FL450]

If your ever in the Houston area PM me. I have two P250's with night sites in 9mm and 40 cal.
We can go out to PSC.

[Salty1]

I have a P250 with many thousands of rounds through it (around 14k - 15k). A few suggestions if you have not already thought of them. First, dry fire it until you know exactly where the trigger will break and go bang, it will be the same spot everytime. Although the trigger pull is fairly long there is not need to keep your sights aligned through the entire pull, when you know where it will go bang the minor pull required will allow you to have your sights perfectly lined up at the critical moment. If your still shooting low and left after this try drifting your rear sight a bit and get it centered, this would be my first step in "customizing" the gun for myself and my eyes. All my Sigs shoot just below where my sights are lined up at 50 feet it is about 2 inches. Replacing the sights is an option, the Sig night sights are worth it but not if you will have the same end result. I live in Denton county so if your close we could meet at a range and try mine out as the trigger module is well broken in and smooth as glass...... That would give you a basis for comparison...

[chasfm11]

I have a P250 with many thousands of rounds through it (around 14k - 15k). A few suggestions if you have not already thought of them. First, dry fire it until you know exactly where the trigger will break and go bang, it will be the same spot everytime. Although the trigger pull is fairly long there is not need to keep your sights aligned through the entire pull, when you know where it will go bang the minor pull required will allow you to have your sights perfectly lined up at the critical moment. If your still shooting low and left after this try drifting your rear sight a bit and get it centered, this would be my first step in "customizing" the gun for myself and my eyes. All my Sigs shoot just below where my sights are lined up at 50 feet it is about 2 inches. Replacing the sights is an option, the Sig night sights are worth it but not if you will have the same end result. I live in Denton county so if your close we could meet at a range and try mine out as the trigger module is well broken in and smooth as glass...... That would give you a basis for comparison...

First, let me thank all of your for your inputs. I very much appreciate the offers to let me shoot other guns, too.

I didn't include it but I have only come to hand guns this year so I'm pretty inexperienced. All of my past experience has been with long guns. I have been working on dry firing but I'm not yet at the point where I know where that trigger break is. I know that is important and I continue to work on it. Salty1, I'm also in Denton county and would love to take you up on your offer to share some range time. Maybe having you shot my gun with all of your Sig experience would be important, too.

Another thing that I didn't mention was something that I discovered at PSC during forum day. I took the multiple target class and it was really brought out my accuracy problem. The instructor was excellent and I learned a lot but I wasn't able to demonstrate much success from that learning. One of the things that I learned was that I could just not acquire a sight picture as fast as I needed to when trying to execute that shooting pattern. I was barely acceptable on the COM shots, particularly when I needed to shoot two rounds at each of the 5 targets in succession. When asked to do the same thing again but reverse the field direction and fire a single head shot at each target, I didn't hit once. I was seeing the sights but not the sight picture. That and working with the bore laser is what has lead me toward an eye problem as my predominate obstacle. I do understand that until I have the trigger break figured out, I'm likely to be inconsistent. I actually am fairly consistent and if I were putting the rounds in the center of the target instead of off to the left, I'd be satisfied with the progress that I've made this year.

[gwashorn]

I am curious and noticed you mentioned this earlier. You are having problems it seems putting the WHOLE sight picture together. Guessing you see the sights but not the target or you see the target and not sure where the sights are? My eyes ain't what they used to be. Tennis has required me to accept certain things and correct for it. When I started to shoot for competition this past year the eye thing was more pronounced. My contacts are for seeing most all things past my arms. I wear cheaters to read. Not strong but they help a lot. I can not focus or see my sights with my contacts. I can see my sights with reading glasses but the target is a blur. Went to my old crazy eye doctor in Texas City which some of you here know, Dr. Bright. I wanted to get a presciption lens for the right eye in my shooting glasses just strong enough to just see the sights but not blur up the target much. One thing we discussed and this has been talked about here, I am cross eye dominant. So he said, let's just increase your right eye a bit to just see the sight. My left eye is the distance dominant so this would not bother me much. We did this and it helped a great deal. Others here and I have tried it using the stick on readers on one eye positioned so when you tilt the head down to see the sights it brings those into the sight. Problem is they are only offered now in 1.25 strength. I needed a .5 so they were too much for me, but others here have done that. I bring this up to make sure you have considered the eyes as well. OH, and I did go fiber optic on all my guns and that helps a lot. You don't have to focus the sights to see the sight and line it up while looking at the target.

Gary

[CompVest]

I apologize. I misread your post. It sounded like you were having trouble shooting a pistol that didn't have any problems. Good luck with your sight search. Trijicon makes an excellent night sight and or fiber optics sight.

[chasfm11]

I apologize. I misread your post. It sounded like you were having trouble shooting a pistol that didn't have any problems. Good luck with your sight search. Trijicon makes an excellent night sight and or fiber optics sight.

No apology necessary. I am having trouble shooting a gun that I don't think has problems but that doesn't necessarily mean that I cannot make changes to it to help me shoot it better. I probably didn't explain things as well in my OP as I should have. After reading Gary's post above, I'm less convinced that a sight change will completely fix my problems but more assured that it might at least help.

My dilemma is to find the right sights to change to, given my problems. The fiber optic sights appear to be much different than this Trijicon
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5 ... right.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another poster mentioned that red was better than green for him. That is the kind of stuff I'd like to explore through this thread. As more posters provide information, I can see that I'm not alone and that there may be more than one fix possible.