Houston Hospital

[stevie_d_64]

Pondering...

And seeking knowledgeable contribution on this issue.

When is a hospital a "hospital," and when is it a school? I can't find any correlation in the literature.

txinvestigator: are absolutely sure your interpretation is correct?

Txi, and LT are correct...I was indicating that the hospital refers to itself as a "teaching" institution...Even though it is an excellent facility to go to if you're in need...

Thats all I was referring to...

[txinvestigator]

A hospital licensed under the health and safety is a hospital according to the CHL laws. Therefore, it is not a school, despite what teaching may go on there.

Why can it only be one or the other?

A city-owned park can't post a valid 30.06 notice, but if a school is holding a sports practice, that field becomes a school.

I disagree. it is not a school at all. There is a school sponsored event; and off limits by a specific law.

The same would be true of any other government property; if a school is holding classes or "activities" there, it becomes a school, off limits for CHL.

Nope, it is off limits because of a specific requirement of the law. The law does not require me to guess when a place may or may not be a school. If the school sponsored event is taking place there, it is off limits.

If a park can be both a park and a school, why can't a hospital?

A park cannot be a school. (unless it is PART of the school)

Further, I believe if the hospital is licensed as stated in the CHL law, then it must post a 30.06 sign to prohibit carry. Notice the legislature was careful to be specific in that the hospital must be licensed.

[rbraughn]

TXI,

I'm not sure if I understood your post correctly, but The University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston is a Hospital licensed under the Health and Safety Code, and it is also an "institute of Higher learning" AKA University. Since it is a University, it does not have to(and does not) post 30.06. If it were merely a Hospital, it would.

[ElGato]

TXI,

I'm not sure if I understood your post correctly, but The University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston is a Hospital licensed under the Health and Safety Code, and it is also an "institute of Higher learning" AKA University. Since it is a University, it does not have to(and does not) post 30.06. If it were merely a Hospital, it would.

UTMB also houses a correctional facility.

[rbraughn]

TXI,

I'm not sure if I understood your post correctly, but The University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston is a Hospital licensed under the Health and Safety Code, and it is also an "institute of Higher learning" AKA University. Since it is a University, it does not have to(and does not) post 30.06. If it were merely a Hospital, it would.

UTMB also houses a correctional facility.

That is technically correct....TDCJ Hospital is actually not considered UT property though. It is It's own facility even though all of the doctors and nurses are UTMB employees, even UTMB maintenance makes many of their repairs.... Just like Shriners Burns and Ronald McDonald House are not UT property but are supported to some extent by UTMB.......UTMB is a very confusing situation

[ea40ss]

So....What's the verdict about The University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston?

It is a university, a hospital, and houses TDCJ inmates not only in the TDCJ hospital but at times in the main towers.

Teaching takes place in nearly every patient room and doctor's office in the entire place.

Faculty, Staff, and Students are prohibeted from carrying on the Premises.

But not sure about Joe CHL Holder.

I don't recall seeing any signs. But are they required?

Thoughts....

Erid

[kauboy]

I'd give a big grin to the unposted entrance and waltz right in. If they are a licensed hospital, they must post 30.06 or "51%". If they don't, CHL'ers are free to carry.

[rbraughn]

I know I am a newbie here, and don't want to sound like a "know it all", but
I have worked at UTMB for over 20 years and know University Police Officers and Hospital Administrators VERY well.

I can assure you that if you are caught, you will be arrested by Campus Police and the Galveston county DA will accept the charges.

Whether or not you beat it in court I can't say because it hasn't occurred yet, but I for one will not take the risk.

Trust me when I say UTMB Administration does not do anything without running it through the State provided legal staff.

Ultimately It's your choice though

[jbirds1210]

I have also worked for UTMB for a number of years and could not agree with you more. There are a lot of different opinions, but I truely feel that it is illegal to carry a gun on campus. Take care.
Jason

[kauboy]

if you are caught

BINGO


I'm not going to risk my life just to please a self-centered DA with his own erroneous interpretation of the law. It is not "on campus" and nothing is posted. I will carry.