House votes to repeal health care

[rmr1923]

At what point does one's personal responsibility for one's own welfare become the state's responsibility? I argue: "Almost never."

[Purplehood]

At what point does one's personal responsibility for one's own welfare become the state's responsibility? I argue: "Almost never."

I agree in general. The only applicable instances would be the governments (whatever level) obligation to those that it hires to serve (Military, LEO's, First Responders, etc.).

[KD5NRH]

I agree in general. The only applicable instances would be the governments (whatever level) obligation to those that it hires to serve (Military, LEO's, First Responders, etc.).

Exactly, and yet those are the people they keep trying to cut off so they can save money to offer more freebies to the lazy.

[Oldgringo]

Well, I reckon that settles that. Y'all have a nice day.

[Purplehood]

Well, I reckon that settles that. Y'all have a nice day.

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That was two opinions, and I really don't know if you agree with them or not. Don't leave us hanging!

[Oldgringo]

Well, I reckon that settles that. Y'all have a nice day.

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That was two opinions, and I really don't know if you agree with them or not. Don't leave us hanging!

Thank you for asking although my agreement or disagreement is not important. That said, we have heard from the "haves". I think it would be interesting to hear from the "have nots".

It appears that the respondents have either employer/family furnished insurance or the means to afford any or no insurance. It further appears that the respondents have yet to face bank-breaking medical procedures. As one who was forced (by carotid artery surgery) to choose to self-insure through the Texas Risk Pool for a few years or have no insurance at all, it's interesting to hear others talk of readily available and "affordable" health care.

* Check out the premiums, coverage and deductibles for that "available" insurance. What have you got?

* What is an affordable health insurance premium for a AMERICAN family of four whose combined annual income is $50-70k?

* Why should the government have to insure its various employees when private industry does not? On a similar side note, how come 'gummint' and state and county and city jobs also come with pensions and private industry jobs do not? Who do y'all think pays for that?

Gentlefolk, I voted for Barry Goldwater before most of you were born and I've voted for every Repub POTUS candidate since then.

Health care for AMERICAN citizens should not be a polarizing partisan political issue. It is an American issue and deserves serious bipartisan consideration. Speaking of health issues, I am sick of self-serving partisan politics.

[Poldark]

How can we be the richest country in the world when we owe $14 + trillion to the China and others with pension commitments of many trillions more ? The country is nearly or is bankrupt and yet the President needs to extend his credit card limit once again. Where is the money going to come from and please don't say increase taxes;enough is enough!

Here's an interesting graphic.

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I wonder what date is on that graphic do you have a link ?

I feel much better today knowing that the government will not be taxing me so much as our debt is well below the daily 14 trillion mantra

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Texas debt clock

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[Purplehood]

Well, I reckon that settles that. Y'all have a nice day.

???

That was two opinions, and I really don't know if you agree with them or not. Don't leave us hanging!

Thank you for asking although my agreement or disagreement is not important. That said, we have heard from the "haves". I think it would be interesting to hear from the "have nots".

It appears that the respondents have either employer/family furnished insurance or the means to afford any or no insurance. It further appears that the respondents have yet to face bank-breaking medical procedures. As one who was forced (by carotid artery surgery) to choose to self-insure through the Texas Risk Pool for a few years or have no insurance at all, it's interesting to hear others talk of readily available and "affordable" health care.

* Check out the premiums, coverage and deductibles for that "available" insurance. What have you got?

* What is an affordable health insurance premium for a AMERICAN family of four whose combined annual income is $50-70k?

* Why should the government have to insure its various employees when private industry does not? On a similar side note, how come 'gummint' and state and county and city jobs also come with pensions and private industry jobs do not? Who do y'all think pays for that?

Gentlefolk, I voted for Barry Goldwater before most of you were born and I've voted for every Repub POTUS candidate since then.

Health care for AMERICAN citizens should not be a polarizing partisan political issue. It is an American issue and deserves serious bipartisan consideration. Speaking of health issues, I am sick of self-serving partisan politics.

I admit to not being able to clearly see it from your perspective for a variety of reasons. I was an Air Force dependent as a child. Joined the MIlitary at a young age and am gainfully employed in the private-sector. These are all indicative of me falling into the "haves" category, and make me inherently biased.

On the other hand I recognize that despite my considerable apprehension of anything that smacks of "welfare", that there are citizens of the United States that would fall into my own cateogry of "deserving" of governmental support but not eligible (for whatever reasons). The biggest conundrum that I have experienced in my life is that of caring about others, and the firmly-embedded notion that many that don't care about themselves shouldn't be a burden on those who do. Right or wrong, it is my gut-feeling.

If you review some of my more liberal-leaning posts in the past you might sense that I wish there was a way to provide for those who deserve it (we could argue the term "deserve it" all day), without imposing on those that work hard for what they earn and rightfully or wrongly feel that they should not have to subsidize others. I just don't see a way to reconcile it.

[Mack]

There are no easy answers. Only easy questions.

[Oldgringo]

There are no easy answers. Only easy questions.

Aye. It is a stickey wicket...to be sure.

[Tamie]

Thank you for asking although my agreement or disagreement is not important. That said, we have heard from the "haves". I think it would be interesting to hear from the "have nots".

It looked like we heard from some "have nots" already. Disclaimer: They were intelligent, hard working, fiscally conservative "have nots" who have the integrity to stand by their beliefs, even when doing the right thing doesn't profit them.

There will always be people in society asking for (or demanding) a free lunch. But the truth is there's no free lunch. Somebody picks up the bill. What did Jesus think about freeloaders? "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

[texanron]

I thought this section was for gun related political issues only.......I must've misread something.

[rm9792]

Title just says political issues. Maybe the Moderator can weigh in? I would imagine anything political can lead to more gun control issues. The more they get away with the more they will try to do, it is never enough.

[The Annoyed Man]

Well, I reckon that settles that. Y'all have a nice day.

???

That was two opinions, and I really don't know if you agree with them or not. Don't leave us hanging!

Thank you for asking although my agreement or disagreement is not important. That said, we have heard from the "haves". I think it would be interesting to hear from the "have nots".

That's hardly a fair characterization. I "have" now, but it has not always been so. And yet, my opinion was the same when I had nothing. Tying healthcare to class warfare is disingenuous at best, and destructive at worst.

[Oldgringo]

I thought this section was for gun related political issues only.......I must've misread something.

That happens...

Title just says political issues. Maybe the Moderator can weigh in? I would imagine anything political can lead to more gun control issues. The more they get away with the more they will try to do, it is never enough.

er, uh...that's right..maybe...

What did Jesus think about freeloaders? "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

...religious content...

Back on topic:

EVERYBODY has an opinion on the Obama Health Care thinghy and NOBODY (including me, et al) knows what's in it.