Baylor All Saints Hospital

kw5kw · Post by **kw5kw** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:23 pm

Baylor All Saints Hospital on 8th ave. in Ft. Worth does not have a 30.06 sign.

It does have a sign for all non-CHL holders, however.

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:49 pm

Isn't it funny that CHL carriers are the only civilians allowed to carry a firearm, yet there are signs everywhere telling the rest that they can't, even though the law already says it. I just find that funny

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:56 pm

kauboy wrote:Isn't it funny that CHL carriers are the only civilians allowed to carry a firearm, yet there are signs everywhere telling the rest that they can't, even though the law already says it.

Anyone can carry a long gun; and technically a non-CHL holder can carry a handgun openly or concealed while traveling, hunting etc. (I don't recommend trying it, though.)

I still think most of these signs are in place because some lawyer thought it was a good idea.

- Jim

hirundo82 · Post by **hirundo82** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:03 am

kauboy wrote:Isn't it funny that CHL carriers are the only civilians allowed to carry a firearm, yet there are signs everywhere telling the rest that they can't, even though the law already says it. I just find that funny

Cops are allowed to carry too, under both state and federal law. And military personnel aren't allowed to carry if it isn't within the course of their duties, or without a CHL if they are off duty.

Sorry, but it bothers me when people refer to non-law enforcement as "civilians." I think to me it insinuates an "us vs. them" mentality among law enforcement. Law enforcement officers are civilians according to the DoD. I know calling us "civilians" is just shorthand or slang, but it still bothers me.

3.2. Civilian Law Enforcement Official. An officer or employee of a civilian agency with responsibility for enforcement of the laws within the jurisdiction of that agency.

3. DEFINITIONS

Civilian Agency. An agency of one of the followingjurisdictions:

3.1.1. The United States (other than the Department of Defense, but including the U.S. Coast Guard). This includes U.S. agencies in international areas dealing with U.S. flag vessels or aircraft in violation of U.S. law.

3.1.2. A State (or political subdivision of it) of the United States.

3.1.3. Commonwealth, Territory, or Possession (or political subdivision of it) of the United States.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:50 am

hirundo82 wrote:
kauboy wrote:Isn't it funny that CHL carriers are the only civilians allowed to carry a firearm, yet there are signs everywhere telling the rest that they can't, even though the law already says it. I just find that funny
Cops are allowed to carry too, under both state and federal law. And military personnel aren't allowed to carry if it isn't within the course of their duties, or without a CHL if they are off duty.

Sorry, but it bothers me when people refer to non-law enforcement as "civilians." I think to me it insinuates an "us vs. them" mentality among law enforcement. Law enforcement officers are civilians according to the DoD. I know calling us "civilians" is just shorthand or slang, but it still bothers me.

3.2. Civilian Law Enforcement Official. An officer or employee of a civilian agency with responsibility for enforcement of the laws within the jurisdiction of that agency.

3. DEFINITIONS

Civilian Agency. An agency of one of the followingjurisdictions:

3.1.1. The United States (other than the Department of Defense, but including the U.S. Coast Guard). This includes U.S. agencies in international areas dealing with U.S. flag vessels or aircraft in violation of U.S. law.

3.1.2. A State (or political subdivision of it) of the United States.

3.1.3. Commonwealth, Territory, or Possession (or political subdivision of it) of the United States.

Merriam Webster

civilian
One entry found for civilian.

Main Entry: ciÂ·vilÂ·ian
Pronunciation: s&-'vil-y&n also -'vi-y&n
Function: noun
1 : a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
2 a : one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force b : OUTSIDER 1
- civilian adjective

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:16 am

I agree with hirundo82. Dictionaries don't tell the full story. Merriam-Webster, especially, picks up slang and mistaken usages like momento.

All civilians (non-military) are subject to civil law, including the police. The police are not fighting a war, and "the rest of us" are not the enemy.

BTW, I've heard security guards use the term civilians. Security guards are not law enforcement personnel and shouldn't forget it.

(Wandering further afield. I had a buddy years ago who was a security guard and EMS technician. He had wired up his headlights to flash alternately like an undercover police car. One day he pulled over someone he knew as a prank and ended up being arrested for impersonating an officer.)

- Jim

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:04 am

Alright, I'll rephrase it for the anally retentive:

"Isn't it funny that CHL carriers are the only people who, not being officers or members of the military, are allowed to carry a firearm, yet there are signs everywhere telling the rest that they can't, even though the law already says it. I just find that funny"

There. Happy now? Geez guys, life isn't meant to be taken so seriously. Just chill

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:31 am

kauboy wrote:Alright, I'll rephrase it for the anally retentive:

We don't give up easily.

kauboy wrote:"Isn't it funny that CHL carriers are the only people who, not being officers or members of the military, are allowed to carry a firearm, yet there are signs everywhere telling the rest that they can't, even though the law already says it. I just find that funny"

You have to replace firearm with concealed hangun.

I agree that the signs are useless. They might as well have signs in banks saying that robbing them is a felony. I think everyone knows already.

- Jim

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:12 pm