Pepper spray?

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:08 pm

Paladin wrote:I'm sure there could also be a debate in court if "pepper spray" is actually a chemical or not. CS and CN are clearly chemicals.

Good point! All the more reason to stick with OC.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:28 pm

Paladin wrote:
kauboy wrote:PC46 WEAPONS
(14) "Chemical dispensing device" means a device,
other than a small chemical dispenser sold commercially for
personal protection, that is designed, made, or adapted for the
purpose of dispensing a substance capable of causing an adverse
psychological or physiological effect on a human being.

No size limit there. I just wouldn't load a fire-truck up with it and dispense it with the hose.
Should point out that there is no clear limit. As "small" is undefined. TXI has previously stated that the DPD does not believe riot units are legal. The keychain units are clearly legal. 2oz or 4oz units should be fine.

I'm sure there could also be a debate in court if "pepper spray" is actually a chemical or not. CS and CN are clearly chemicals.

Not really, OC is a Hazardous Material. It has a 3 for health on the MSDS, and a 1 for fire.

Its chemical formula is C18H27NO3.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:41 pm

Russell wrote:Well, unfortunately none of the gun and ammo shops around here, including Sarge's carries Fox. I went back to Burdettes however and found a small batton holder that has a slip for your belt to slide into, and one of the small Sabre pepper spray containers fit in it perfectly

Sabre apparently is what NYPD uses, and it says it has Cayenne Pepper, "military grade tear gas", and invisible UV dye. Does that sound reasonably powerful enough to stop an attacker?

Sabre is good stuff too.

lrb111 · Post by **lrb111** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:10 pm

Russell wrote:Well, unfortunately none of the gun and ammo shops around here, including Sarge's carries Fox. I went back to Burdettes however and found a small batton holder that has a slip for your belt to slide into, and one of the small Sabre pepper spray containers fit in it perfectly

Sabre apparently is what NYPD uses, and it says it has Cayenne Pepper, "military grade tear gas", and invisible UV dye. Does that sound reasonably powerful enough to stop an attacker?

I keep forgetting to mention that whoever gets sprayed will glow under a UV light, because of the dye.

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:34 am

lrb111 wrote:I keep forgetting to mention that whoever gets sprayed will glow under a UV light, because of the dye.

FOX has dye as well, but I don't think its UV activated. I think its just a visible staining dye.

casselthief · Post by **casselthief** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:36 am

can't use that in mah chili!!!

the CrimeHalter stuff I have is taaa-aaaastey!

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:04 pm

txinvestigator wrote: Not really, OC is a Hazardous Material. It has a 3 for health on the MSDS, and a 1 for fire.

Its chemical formula is C18H27NO3.

OC certainly is a substance that is considered a Hazardous Material. And it has a molecular formula...

Just like water has a molecular formula of H2O.... but we're not banning sprinkler systems are we?

Because I don't know everything I like to read. I've read a security officer's manual that talk about CN, CS and OC. It states that OC isn't a chemical for legal purposes.

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:08 pm

Someone tried to say that OC is just pepper spray and another refuted it calling it a hazardous chemical. Its pretty much a meaningless argument. Either way, its still legal to carry, just use a reasonably sized dispenser.

jbirds1210 · Post by **jbirds1210** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:59 pm

Liberty wrote:
jbirds1210 wrote:www.comp-tac.com

You will have your FoxLab quickly! Stuff is worth every cent. I have been a real believer in it over the last week in Vegas. I can't carry my gun here Thank God we will be in Arizona sometime early tomorrow morning.
Jason
If your gun gets a little uncomfortable while your in the car. go ahead, remove it from the holster and set it on the dash... If only for a few minutes. Yeah I know you don't normally think much of open carry, but you gotta admit its kinda nice to be able to do that.

I had the chance to open carry in a couple of states over the last week and decided against it. Just not my thing, but I do admit that I was tempted to try it out for a few minutes. I did not want to explain the amount of firearms and ammo that we had in the van for Front Sight. True testimony for Comp-Tac..I rode with my Infidel and G26 for over three thousand miles and was not uncomfortable until I had to take it off.
Jason

Post by **Skiprr** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:09 pm

Welcome home, J. & K. I'm glad the trip was a safe one, and that you're happily home.

Now. You will tell us about the training sometime? Yes?

lrb111 · Post by **lrb111** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:15 pm

kauboy wrote:
lrb111 wrote:I keep forgetting to mention that whoever gets sprayed will glow under a UV light, because of the dye.
FOX has dye as well, but I don't think its UV activated. I think its just a visible staining dye.

Fox has UltraViolet dye in it. Says so right on the label, of all places.

Trope · Post by **Trope** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:13 pm

Can anyone suggest anything that is toddler-safe? I had been carrying a key defender, but I know that if my toddler got hold of my keys, he could get it to spray.