Hunter almost shot as feral hog charges

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:07 pm

Maybe you some of you guys have already seen this little clip, but it was "new" to me.

http://www.huntingfootage.com/data/5...ging_Boar1.wmv Edited to add: Sorry, when I checked, the link did not load. You might want to try it through this one: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=242716

Best I can, tell the shooter in the middle is using a handgun. And apparently, the guy the hog was going after was OK - except for likely some stains in his shorts!

flintknapper · Post by **flintknapper** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:14 pm

Someone came really close to being shot.

Hard to tell who fired the rifle shot, you can clearly see the 4 shots by the guy wielding the pistol, but I can't tell who touched off the rifle.

Tough terrain to negotiate while hog hunting. Another second or so, and that hog was gonna be in someones back pocket.

MrDrummy · Post by **MrDrummy** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:17 pm

The 3rd Law of Gun Safety:

Always Be Sure Of Your Target And What Is Behind It!

That could have turned out much worse than it seems to have.

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:41 pm

"That could have turned out much worse than it seems to have."

Yep, yep. I froze it the best I could at one point and it looked like the guy that the hog went after may have been shooting back up the hill. He did in fact have a real good view of the critter - but maybe not his buddies in the backgound.

longtooth · Post by **longtooth** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:42 pm

This is why I practice on the ground, one hand moving, every way I can think of.
That guy was no novice to defense pistol shooting.
He can cover my back trail any day.
Wonder what he was shooting.

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:55 pm

longtooth wrote:This is why I practice on the ground, one hand moving, every way I can think of.
That guy was no novice to defense pistol shooting.
He can cover my back trail any day.
Wonder what he was shooting.

A glock...

hi-power · Post by **hi-power** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:48 am

stevie_d_64 wrote:
longtooth wrote:This is why I practice on the ground, one hand moving, every way I can think of.
That guy was no novice to defense pistol shooting.
He can cover my back trail any day.
Wonder what he was shooting.
A glock...

Uh-oh!

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:04 am

stevie_d_64 wrote:
longtooth wrote: Wonder what he was shooting.
A glock...

You ain't right, pokin' LT with that stick. Even an EastTex boy knows there ain't no silver Glocks!

Now that I've had a chance to view the video on a reasonably modern computer, I have to point out that the speed of sound is a factor here. The camera (and microphone) were quite some distance from the action. It's hard to tell with the telescopic compression, but my best guess is the camera was at least 2-300 yards away. The moment when we hear the shots is not the same as when they were fired.

The distance and compression also distort our perception of the actual angles involved.

Given those two factors, I have to say that the handgun shots were all fired (and the pig was dead) before "Rollo" went forward of the firing point. ("Firing point" being the line at the handgun's muzzle, perpendicular to the direction of fire.) Rollo fell at 90 degrees to the line of fire. There was no reason to shoot the pig once he started tumbling, which was after our boy Jack came tumbling down.

I'd still have a chat with my hunting companions if I was the one tumbling down the hill, though. Just to make sure they understood The Rules, and that violations of the Rules carry the potential consequence of return fire.

Kevin

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:30 am

Yep KB, what ya said about the sound delay makes sense. With it traveling at around 1,000 fps, what we are seeing is not necessarily in sync with what we are hearing. Likely at least a 1/2 second sound delay.

I paused the thing several times while focusing on the tall guy in the khakis. Appears to me that he had some real lousy foot positioning during the encounter and may have lit off the rifle shot well after the pistolero had already put the major hurt on the hog.

flintknapper · Post by **flintknapper** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:54 am

I watched it several times yesterday, and simply could not tell who fired the rifle shot. Sounds like the fella with the pistol got off four rounds, you can see the porker begin to react about the 3rd shot.

I can't understand why the guy that tumbled... took up a position below the pig, unless he lost his footing and just ended up there. Its hard to tell from the video.

One thing is certain however, three middle aged men on a loose hillside are not going to outrun a Boar, so......you might as well gather up your nerves and draw a good bead.

http://www.huntingfootage.com/data/513/ ... _Boar1.wmv

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:32 am

The "Get your gun ready" comment led me to believe that the pistolero was probably the "guide". And guessing the guy (with lever gun?) may have lost his nerve just before crossing in front of pistolero - expecting him to shoot it?

longtooth · Post by **longtooth** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:46 am

All laughs aside. I agree w/ above. Watched & listened several times.

Guys this video is the reason I have never been comfortable in the woods w/ my .45. That hog was meaner than any man out there, better armed, & better trained than any those guys or any of us will probably ever face.
The Glocks against that porker would have only made him mad.

What I saw tactically. (I am going to watch it more)
Guy that fell did so because he tried to get away & down hill is no direction to move & shoot if there is any other option. There comes a time when it is time to stand steady, firm, as balanced as possible & FIGHT LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT. This was one of those times.

Guy behind was backing up & never really shouldered his rifle. Never established good footing & fighting position. I could not tell for sure if it was him that fired or the one on the ground. He was really no help.

Pistolerro: When trouble was evident this guy was ready for the fight. One of the things I watched over & over was his preparation & draw. First of the film he has what looks like a glove on his left hand. When the hog shows charge before he is in site his hands are bare, & under stress his draw was smooth & flawless. I watched that several times. (how do you spell fastdraw?? s---m---o---o---t---h.)first shot from ready (not textbook Isosolese but he was not at PSC either) then the next as he went UP hill to a ground position (dont know I could call it setting.) Feet in front. Much better & steadier position to shoot while being cut than thrown down the hill & being cut while he was rolling & the hog on his terrain. His angle & from low on the ground, the shots were not what we would consider safe on a range, but acceptable in life & Death fire fight. I still say this guy can cover my back trail.

Diode · Post by **Diode** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:11 am

I ask and see if I can find out who shot what for you guys. From what gun "Gun Buddy Paper Salesman" tells me he know one on them. He lives in Houston. Time had sent me the video a few weeks ago.

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:51 am

Yea Diode, some of us would likely appreciate any more details ya can learn. As a hunter ed. instructor, if possible, I'd love to locate a copy of this on VHS or DVD.

From watching TP&W's annual statistical reports in each spring's issue of Target Talk, incidents such as this (and the feral hog population explosion) have contributed significantly to hunting accidents going back up in Tejas the past 10 years. I teach that, yea, there is some degree of danger in hunting "the poor man's grizzly bear", but for the most part, the primary danger comes from the hunters, not necessarily the hogs ...

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:13 pm

Hey, I know I couldn't resist...

BTW, we have hogs up there roaming around the acreage...Very problamatic...We've discussed it earlier this year in a thread...

That heard/pack still needs culling...

What do you call a group of hogs???

Bike Week at Daytona Beach???