Trades Day Mckinney This past Weekend

[paulhailes]

No Range time THATS highly UNSAFE IMO

Can't pass the shooting portion of the class without going to the range.

only 4 hours classtime ISNT THE STATE MINIMUM 8hrs

10-15 hours required.

[AEA]

Another seller of CHL-100's!

Should be immediately reported to DPS.

[G.A. Heath]

Has Utah's law requiring a resident permit in states that issue before issuing a non-resident permit gone into effect yet? If not he may be trying to make a last ditched effort to make a little money before his business goes away.

[GeekwithaGun]

Florida non-resident ?

When Utah allowed non-resident applications, wasn't that a 4 hour class and no shooting?

[Mike from Texas]

Sounds like the Utah CHL class to me.

[apostate]

Has Utah's law requiring a resident permit in states that issue before issuing a non-resident permit gone into effect yet?

Yes. Back in May.

[AEA]

If he is going to McKinney Trade Days, good chance he is going to Canton too. Someone ask some questions next time ya'll see him. If it is UTAH then no foul. But if it is Texas he is in a heap o trouble!

[fannypacker]

There is a guy in North TX who teaches the Utah class. I don't approve of it but it is legal.

[JRG]

There is a guy in North TX who teaches the Utah class. I don't approve of it but it is legal.

I have both. The UT chl gives 3 or 4 more states to carry in, but the main reason I have the UT one is to make me legal in Texas if Texas is dragging their feet on getting me my renewal CHL. I'm up for renewal in December. I will take the class in October. If by chance, I don't receive my renewed CHL by mid December, I can still legally carry since I have the Ut license.

Joe

[Keith B]

There is a guy in North TX who teaches the Utah class. I don't approve of it but it is legal.

Well, if he is a Utah instructor, as of May 10th unless they already have a Texas CHL they can't apply for a Utah non-resident permit

[MasterOfNone]

One problem with some of the Utah instructors is that even after their law became effective, they still use the pitch that "you can have your license with a 4-hour class" without disclosing that you will need to get the Texas CHL first.

[Crossfire]

One problem with some of the Utah instructors is that even after their law became effective, they still use the pitch that "you can have your license with a 4-hour class" without disclosing that you will need to get the Texas CHL first.

I agree. Some Utah instructors may still be teaching, and just not disclosing that you can't get the license unless you already have Texas. Another thing is, at least one of the north Texas Utah instructors has just switched over to pushing Florida instead. I don't know what their requirements are for classes, but it looks like the same 4 hour class, no range time.

[MasterOfNone]

One problem with some of the Utah instructors is that even after their law became effective, they still use the pitch that "you can have your license with a 4-hour class" without disclosing that you will need to get the Texas CHL first.

I agree. Some Utah instructors may still be teaching, and just not disclosing that you can't get the license unless you already have Texas. Another thing is, at least one of the north Texas Utah instructors has just switched over to pushing Florida instead. I don't know what their requirements are for classes, but it looks like the same 4 hour class, no range time.

Florida's training requirement is:

(h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;
2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;
4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;
6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause; or
7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;

A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught said course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph; any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;

When I got my FL permit years ago, we had a short class in the corner of a gun show, then went to the mobile trailer range and fired a single round from a pre-loaded revolver (satisfied the "safely handle and discharge" part).
Florida may very well become the next Utah here.

[Crossfire]

5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;

Or, apparently, no class required at all, if you have been in the military, or even once competed in an IDPA match!