Would you knowingly sell a bad gun

[wgoforth]

If the gun breaks while I own it, that's one thing. However, there are many guns that are not 100.00% reliable straight from the factory. Is the manufacturer guilty of selling a defective product? If not, then how can a subsequent owner be guilty for selling it in a similar operating condition?

Have to define "reliable".... not shooting tight enough groups is one thing, tendency to limp wrist, etc... however something that could get the next person killed is quite another. Mr Cotton has already posted that it is the law that such must be disclosed. If once a magazine I consistently get a FTF, FTE, etc., I would and HAVE sent it back repeatedly until it was fixed. Granted by then I had lost confidence and sold it... but not until it appeared to be fixed. Sometimes the lifetime warranty is only on original owner as was the case with mine, so I felt I had a responsibility to the next person. I don't know many gun shops (none in fact) that would let you try one out first, and some have issues that are sporadic. Even many on Gun Broker state 100% 3 day refund if UNFIRED. I know there is grey areas here, but to purposely sell a gun to pawn off a problem without disclosure is simply beneath the ethics that we CHL holders typically boast of having.

[tacticool]

He mentioned civil law, not criminal law. He also did not define defective. If it works the way most guns of that type do from the factory, is that a defect? As an owner, how do I "know" it's defective if that's how it came from the factory.

Like I said, there's some brands that have a reputation among enthusiasts to not be 100.00% reliable out of the box. Is that a defect or what the manufacturer intended? I won't name brand names but some of them are pretty guns but "known" to be less reliable than some guns that cost less. Defect? Or design?

[wgoforth]

He mentioned civil law, not criminal law. He also did not define defective. If it works the way most guns of that type do from the factory, is that a defect? As an owner, how do I "know" it's defective if that's how it came from the factory.

Like I said, there's some brands that have a reputation among enthusiasts to not be 100.00% reliable out of the box. Is that a defect or what the manufacturer intended? I won't name brand names but some of them are pretty guns but "known" to be less reliable than some guns that cost less. Defect? Or design?

I agree, and as I say there are definite gray areas here... but it's like the guy asked about defining porn, he said "I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it." You have a glock that the slide flies off the frame, there is no doubt on something of that magnitude.

[sugar land dave]

Easy answer. No. I was raised with respect for others. Didn't some really good book say, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?"

[hpcatx]

If the gun breaks while I own it, that's one thing. However, there are many guns that are not 100.00% reliable straight from the factory. Is the manufacturer guilty of selling a defective product? If not, then how can a subsequent owner be guilty for selling it in a similar operating condition?

Yes, the manufacturer is quite possibly on the hook. Warranties, or even recalls, are attempts to address these types of problems from the manufacturing end. The honest, open re-seller isn't guaranteeing 100% reliability; he or she is representing the weapon doesn't have any known issues.

[wgoforth]

Easy answer. No. I was raised with respect for others. Didn't some really good book say, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?"

AMEN! (I'm a preacher, I'm licensed to say that)