Kel-tec 22 wmr

[cnovel]

Does anyone have first hand information about this gun ? I think it would be a nice addition to the collection.
Thanks

[longtooth]

Not I. New to me.

[OldCannon]

You're referring to the PMR-30 (http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). They're like unicorns. I want to have a few in stock, but they're even scarce as hen's teeth for dealers. There are some available on Gunbroker, but they're at inflated prices.

Here's a Box O' Truth review on it: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu123.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Given the heel-based mag release, I don't consider this a good concealed carry pistol, but it's a good home defense pistol for somebody that just wants to put 30 rounds in a bad guy while waiting for the police to arrive (and the low recoil makes it great for those that are otherwise unable to manage bigger calibers)

[apostate]

That or the RMR-30. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010 ... prototype/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=SiUwguCOQ6o[/youtube]

[OldCannon]

yah, also just as scarce, if not moreso.

Kel-Tec has a lot of unique firearms that have high demand, but they seem to lack the ability (or will) to scale their business to meet demand. It's no end of frustration for those of us that are trying to offer these guns (PMR-30, RMR-30, KSG, and RFB) for purchase at a reasonable price.

MSRP for a PMR-30, for instance, is a little over $400, but they're selling on gunbroker for $500-$700 right now. It's crazy.

[The Annoyed Man]

If you are Gun-Tests subscriber, you can read their entire article comparing the PMR-30 to the FN FiveseveN: http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/23_11/f ... 913-1.html

There is some disagreement in another thread about the validity of this comparison. Even so, it seems like a natural comparison to me. I think the FN FiveseveN is a pretty neat pistol. I also think that the PMR-30 is a pretty neat pistol.....for a third of the price. A few members here carry the FN FiveseveN, and nobody that I can remember has posted that they carry a PMR-30. Between the two, the FN is probably the better self-defense weapon (by virtue of the terminal ballistics on paper) and the PMR the better plinker (by virtue of the cost of ammo). However, when Gun-Tests fired both pistol/cartridge combinations into a ballistic clay medium, the terminal effects in terms of penetration and permanent cavity volume were nearly identical.

Frankly, I'm not volunteering to step in front of either bullet. For a while anyway, the Secret Service had great faith in the 5.7 cartridge. I'm not current enough on these things to know if that is still the case or not. However, I'll offer the following.....when I worked in the ER, I saw a lot of gunshot patients, and by far, most patients had been shot with a .22 LR. Some died, and some didn't, but what made all of them notable was that they were shot a LOT—as in maybe 5 or 6 or more times. With larger mainstream self-defense calibers, it was uncommon to see a patient that was hit more than 2 or 3 times, and 1 or 2 was more of the norm. The 5.56 NATO cartridge (also a ".22") comes by its lethality by virtue of its velocity and the fact that FMJ boat tail spitzer bullets will yaw severely, even to the point of swapping ends and traveling base first, and cause a very large wound cavity in relation to their diameter. The 5.7 cartridge is not traveling as fast, particularly out of a handgun, nor is it as heavy as a 5.56 bullet, and there is no way that it can have anything like real "rifle ballistics."

At least one of our members who lives in or near El Paso carries a FN FiveseveN for its high capacity. Apparently, circumstances often put him in encounters with illegals where he is outnumbered, and carrying an AR carbine is either not practical or not permitted to him. My opinion is that in any given situation where the FN FiveseveN is a practical pistol choice for self defense, the PMR-30 is also a legitimate contender worth considering. And if your interest is plinking/varmint control, then the PMR-30 might even be the better choice—for reasons of ammo cost and availability.

I would really like to have one.

[92f-fan]

A friend of mine owns one and I've shot it.

It makes a BIG muzzle flash which is amusing BUT I found the fit of the gun and the function of the gun to be lacking.
Its remarkably light, almost to the point of feeling like a toy.
Since its a plinker I would have just bought a 22 lr but he likes it.

My problem is that the ammo is the same price as 9mm ammo basically, the fit and finish of the gun isnt great, the accuracy isnt remarkable, and based on my short experience with it I would never be confident that it would go BANG and cycle reliably.

[cnovel]

Thanks,,I pretty much agree with all the replies,,I am aware of the 5.7,,, I am not really looking to replace my p226 or the p229, or the GP 100, or the Kimber,,I would just like to have one ;)

Thanks for the links and info