Advocacy group demands public list of conceal carry holders
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Advocacy group demands public list of conceal carry holders
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CHIPPEWA FALLS, Wisc. (WEAU) --The conceal carry law has been in effect for just 4.5 months but already a state advocacy group is saying the law needs to be altered.
The Milwaukee based group Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort or WAVE says it wants access to the list of all conceal carry permit holders.
The Wisconsin Department of Justice says the law prohibits the state from divulging the identity of any concealed carry license holder unless it's necessary in a prosecution.
Sine November 1st, the DOJ has granted more than 83,000 conceal carry permits. It’s denied about two percent of all applications it received, which totals 97,000.
Jeri Bonavia with Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort says she wants to know who is receiving those permits.
“When this law was being discussed we were promised that the people who would get these conceal carry permits would be the most law abiding people in the state. And we want to know whether or not that's true,” Bonavia tells us.
But people we talked to, both those who have a conceal carry permit and one that doesn't, agree that's a violation of privacy.
“I don't think they should,” Martin Brill says.
“Think they don't have the right to do it, think it should be the people's own decision,” hunter and conceal carry permit holder Brandon Beranak says.
Martin Brill volunteers at the Chippewa County Public Shooting Range and doesn't have a conceal carry permit, but he says he still respects the law and the DOJ’s background checks.
“The sheriff's department can't ask anyone if they have a conceal carry when they stop them, why should it be made public,” he asks.
Bonavia says she respects the citizens’ right to privacy but thinks they can find middle ground.
“There does appear to be an association between conceal carry laws and an increase in fire arm homicides. So it's important to know whether that trend is happening here in Wisconsin or if Wisconsin is gong to be immune from that sort of impact,” she explains.
Beranak at Chippewa Hardware and Sporting Goods says background checks are required when you sell a gun and when you apply for a permit. He says if anything citizens should feel safer with the conceal carry law because more law abiding citizens are armed now.
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CHIPPEWA FALLS, Wisc. (WEAU) --The conceal carry law has been in effect for just 4.5 months but already a state advocacy group is saying the law needs to be altered.
The Milwaukee based group Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort or WAVE says it wants access to the list of all conceal carry permit holders.
The Wisconsin Department of Justice says the law prohibits the state from divulging the identity of any concealed carry license holder unless it's necessary in a prosecution.
Sine November 1st, the DOJ has granted more than 83,000 conceal carry permits. It’s denied about two percent of all applications it received, which totals 97,000.
Jeri Bonavia with Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort says she wants to know who is receiving those permits.
“When this law was being discussed we were promised that the people who would get these conceal carry permits would be the most law abiding people in the state. And we want to know whether or not that's true,” Bonavia tells us.
But people we talked to, both those who have a conceal carry permit and one that doesn't, agree that's a violation of privacy.
“I don't think they should,” Martin Brill says.
“Think they don't have the right to do it, think it should be the people's own decision,” hunter and conceal carry permit holder Brandon Beranak says.
Martin Brill volunteers at the Chippewa County Public Shooting Range and doesn't have a conceal carry permit, but he says he still respects the law and the DOJ’s background checks.
“The sheriff's department can't ask anyone if they have a conceal carry when they stop them, why should it be made public,” he asks.
Bonavia says she respects the citizens’ right to privacy but thinks they can find middle ground.
“There does appear to be an association between conceal carry laws and an increase in fire arm homicides. So it's important to know whether that trend is happening here in Wisconsin or if Wisconsin is gong to be immune from that sort of impact,” she explains.
Beranak at Chippewa Hardware and Sporting Goods says background checks are required when you sell a gun and when you apply for a permit. He says if anything citizens should feel safer with the conceal carry law because more law abiding citizens are armed now.
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Re: Advocacy group demands public list of conceal carry hold
When I saw this, I went "here we go again"...
But on second thought, you know this may be a blessing in disguise...
Next time it comes up in Texas, I propose we compel our legislature to release the names of permit applicants that fail the requirements due to a criminal background failure in the screening, and make sure that "full" information is published publically and sent on gold leaf trimmed stationary to gun-control advocates around the country...
That way the public and those groups will know who the "really" dangerous people are out there...
I think that is a fair deal...

But on second thought, you know this may be a blessing in disguise...
Next time it comes up in Texas, I propose we compel our legislature to release the names of permit applicants that fail the requirements due to a criminal background failure in the screening, and make sure that "full" information is published publically and sent on gold leaf trimmed stationary to gun-control advocates around the country...
That way the public and those groups will know who the "really" dangerous people are out there...
I think that is a fair deal...


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Re: Advocacy group demands public list of conceal carry hold
Hmmm what's sauce for the goose ...
First, lead by example .... the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort group needs to publish a list containing their personal information on all members so we know who fanatics are with mental issues and their home addresses, places of work, vehicle license plate numbers, and photos of each etc so we can avoid hoplophobes in need of psychiatric counseling and treatment....
A psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality
http://www.vcdl.org/new/raging.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality
http://www.rense.com/general33/antigun.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And a complimentary article
"Open letter to the American Psychiatric Association from Gene Flick, MD."
http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/open-letter-to-apa.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
First, lead by example .... the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort group needs to publish a list containing their personal information on all members so we know who fanatics are with mental issues and their home addresses, places of work, vehicle license plate numbers, and photos of each etc so we can avoid hoplophobes in need of psychiatric counseling and treatment....
A psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality
http://www.vcdl.org/new/raging.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality
http://www.rense.com/general33/antigun.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And a complimentary article
"Open letter to the American Psychiatric Association from Gene Flick, MD."
http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/open-letter-to-apa.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Advocacy group demands public list of conceal carry hold
Is drivers license information made public in list form?
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Re: Advocacy group demands public list of conceal carry hold
I should certainly hope so......that the bad guys are the ones being shot. The idgit probably does not know the proper definitin of "homicide".stevie_d_64 wrote:http://www.weau.com/news/headlines/Advo ... 99485.html
“There does appear to be an association between conceal carry laws and an increase in fire arm homicides.
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Re: Advocacy group demands public list of conceal carry hold
I sure hope this doesn't get any traction; it is a genuine threat. Before Ohio passed a law prohibiting disclosure, there were numerous local newspapers publishing names and addresses of all CHL's in their county. It was effectively a gun thief shopping list.
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Re: Advocacy group demands public list of conceal carry hold
I demand Names, DOB's and addresses of everyone in that Advocacy group be published! Hows that?
And, I also demand that a full disclosure and accounting of the funding for that Advocacy group be published! Hows that?
And, I also demand that a full disclosure and accounting of the funding for that Advocacy group be published! Hows that?
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I like it. Nicely played.AEA wrote:I demand Names, DOB's and addresses of everyone in that Advocacy group be published! Hows that?
And, I also demand that a full disclosure and accounting of the funding for that Advocacy group be published! Hows that?
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Re: Advocacy group demands public list of conceal carry hold
Before they publish the concealed carry list, they should publish the names, home addresses, and payment amounts of everyone who gets a government check in that state. That's much less of an invasion of privacy because it's the taxpayers' money.
Re: Advocacy group demands public list of conceal carry hold
Huh, what I took away from that is that even a LE agency, Sheriff's department, cannot ask if someone they stop has a carry license. That's pretty bold, I think, for that to be in the law.
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