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http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... 1857.story

It's a full court press.
“I know that if we don't stop the traffic of weapons into Mexico, if we don't have mechanisms to forbid the sale of weapons such as we had in the '90s, or for registry of guns, at least for assault weapons, then we are never going to be able to stop the violence in Mexico or stop a future turning of those guns upon the U.S.,” he said.
You don't have a foreign president deliver a speech like this from the White House if it's not part of your agenda. You can count on reintroduction of the assault ban if Obama gets re-elected.
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Do you think he asked Obama to stop selling guns to narco-traffickers, or did he ask Obama to step up the sales so that they could both more effectively push for for an AWB?

Do you think that Obama....making sure that all the microphones were off.....told Calderon, "I need some space. I have my last reelection coming up. After the election, I'll have more flexibility"?
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I think there is no chance of getting any type of gun-control laws passed at the federal level. I'm convinced that Congress only has one interest and that is how to keep getting themselves re-elected. Democrats have proven that this IS the issue to lose on, time and again, and I'm convinced they have learned their lesson. Thats why I expect to see some type of Executive Order come down during NObama's second term. (I'm not a Nobama supporter, but I am convinced that Romney will win the Rep nomination, then get smacked down by NObama in the general election)

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The Annoyed Man wrote:Do you think he asked Obama to stop selling guns to narco-traffickers, or did he ask Obama to step up the sales so that they could both more effectively push for for an AWB?

Do you think that Obama....making sure that all the microphones were off.....told Calderon, "I need some space. I have my last reelection coming up. After the election, I'll have more flexibility"?
Well, Obama did say he wants to fundamentally change America, which can only mean he's opposed to the country's founding principles. I"m a little reluctant to use the term "traitor," but with his latest assault on the Constitution re Obamacare, and his inflammatory rhetoric in the Trayvon Martin case, he seems to be actively trying to undermine the rule of law. I think he is the most irresponsible and dangerous president to ever hold office. So, I think Calderon cut a deal with Obama and part of the deal is to help Obama lobby an assault weapons ban, WHATEVER IT TAKES, and if that means some of the "little people" get killed --well, you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. And I'm SURE Obama told Calderon he'll have more flexibility after the election.
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VMI77 wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:Do you think he asked Obama to stop selling guns to narco-traffickers, or did he ask Obama to step up the sales so that they could both more effectively push for for an AWB?

Do you think that Obama....making sure that all the microphones were off.....told Calderon, "I need some space. I have my last reelection coming up. After the election, I'll have more flexibility"?
Well, Obama did say he wants to fundamentally change America, which can only mean he's opposed to the country's founding principles. I"m a little reluctant to use the term "traitor," but with his latest assault on the Constitution re Obamacare, and his inflammatory rhetoric in the Trayvon Martin case, he seems to be actively trying to undermine the rule of law. I think he is the most irresponsible and dangerous president to ever hold office. So, I think Calderon cut a deal with Obama and part of the deal is to help Obama lobby an assault weapons ban, WHATEVER IT TAKES, and if that means some of the "little people" get killed --well, you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. And I'm SURE Obama told Calderon he'll have more flexibility after the election.
:iagree: Doesn't President Calderon have enough problems in his country? His countries drug cartel problems, and corruption problems are so bad that he should be so busy fixing them he has no time to focus on U.S. issues. Perhaps if he let his people arm themselves in like fashion those that don't want anything to do with the cartels in his country would be able to fight back when they are attacked. GRRRRRR!!!!!
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How about a ban on foreign officials telling us how to run our country? Matthew 7.5
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chasfm11 wrote:How about a ban on foreign officials telling us how to run our country? Matthew 7.5
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i guess Obama didn't have any suggestion to remedy the mass exodus of mexico's fine citizens ... its funny that it's our guns that are ruining them , but yet they jump fences , swim rivers and brave death to come to this awful country of gun manufactures .
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Calderon and just about every other national leader have found it VERY easy to put a collar around Obama and drag him around like he's their pet. He's a disgrace to the office.
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VMI77 wrote:I"m a little reluctant to use the term "traitor,"......
Not me. I believe that he is one of the domestic enemies warned against in the oath. He's not just a bad president, like Jimmy Carter was. He is a malevolent person bent on the reduction of the US into a "manageable" entity that will passively accept its loss of sovereignty and passively accept direction from its socialist masters....whomever they turn out to be. I mean, just where does "fundamentally change" cross over into "treason"—when our entire way of living and the rentire relationship between government and governed is irrevocably changed except through violent means? Because that is not that far off from where I think he has pushed us to. If he is reelected, and he follows through on surrendering security to Putin's evil, and abolishes 2nd Amendment protections through executive fiat, etc., etc., then what else IS he exactly, but a traitor? And when his treason is complete, what recourse will we HAVE except either violent resistance, or complete submission? Nobody in his or her right mind wants things to come to that. But if it ever does come to that, it will be because we've been pushed there by a treasonous president, backed by an acquiescent or abdicative Congress.

Back in late February, member stevie_d_64 posted a thread about a series of Matt Bracken novels called the "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" trilogy. Granted, they are purely fiction....and by the way, they are a riveting read and very well written. I'm picky, and I enjoyed them tremendously. Anyway, the point I'm getting at is that you don't have to be overly paranoid if you're a 2nd Amendment supporter in order to believe that we are probably fewer than 6º of separation from the storyline postulated in the novels, and it is downright scary. These books were published for a specific purpose: as a warning. Here is a link to that thread: viewtopic.php?f=81&t=52955&start=0. Yes, it is fiction; but it is fiction based on the current political and economic times in which we find ourselves today, and written from the perspective of one who is concerned with the erosions of the Constitution and the loss of our most basic rights. It is about how one side deliberately, and in concerted effort, and with an end goal in mind, progressively diminishes the meaning and the importance of the Constitution to the preservation of individual liberty, and the evil that comes out of that. There isn't anything in those books that, from where we are sitting right now, could not be a reality within 6 months or 6 years from now.

On the day that Obama signed a treasonous healthcare bill into law—a bill that would fine ME a $225/month punishment for the "crime" of not having purchased insurance that I cannot afford in the first place—that was the day that I accepted that he does not actually think I have any rights in the matter, or in any other matter, and that citizens are not really citizens but subjects. Doesn't he understand that if I could afford that fine, I might even be able to afford insurance? That is the day that he crossed over from merely being a bad president whom I disliked, to being my enemy. There is only one thing he can do to recapture his former status in my eyes, and that would be to concede that the whole thing was a huge mistaken debacle, and to rescind it. Then he would return to being merely a bad president. But as long as he believes that he can invoke the authority to create a commercial product and then force me into the stream of commerce for that product, or punish me by means of a monthly fine for not doing so, then he is the domestic enemy of all Americans who find themselves in the same boat that I'm in. And as long as Congress allows that to remain standing, and SCOTUS refuses to strike it down, then that makes the entire government my enemy. It is not up to me to further surrender my rights as a citizen. It is up to them to step back from the edge of the abyss toward which they are pushing us. Obama warned the "unelected" justices not to strike down the law, but right now, that slender 5/4 majority of the Court which seems disposed to strike it down is the ONLY part of the federal government that legitimately represents ME. The rest of them can go to hades.

Ask yourself this question: If, hypothetically, Congress and the Supreme Court unanimously offered Obama the position of King, complete with their own resignations, all to be finalized on the passage of a last congressional act which would surrender all governing powers to the executive and his cabinet.....do you think Obama would decline, or accept the offer? Me? I think he would accept it. That would make him A) unqualified for office now; and B) a traitor if he were to accept it. Of course, all of this is purely speculation, but it is based on my gut instincts about the man, and on what we already know about his casual disregard for personal liberty, and his demontrated record of preferring big government and small subjects. There is nothing that Obama, and by extension the entire left, desires more than power. They desire it more than human rights. They desire it more than free speech. They desire it more than national security. They desire it more than national sovereignty. They desire it more than a stable and productive economy. They desire it before the sanctity of human life. They desire it more than all things. Why? BECAUSE THEY VIEW THEMSELVES AS UNIQUELY BENEVOLENT AND TRUSTWORTHY, WANTING ONLY WHAT'S BEST FOR THE REST OF US, and the "noble" ends justifying their means. That is a VERY dangerous self image, and that encapsulates Obama. Anybody who desires power with that kind of messianic lust cannot be trusted with it, because their lust will direct them to treasonous behavior. The ONLY person who can be trusted with that kind of power is the person who doesn't want it, and would refuse to accept it, because he is humble enough in his own heart to know that his imperfect and capable of doing wrong. That does not describe Obama.

Then ask yourself a second question: If Obama began governing as if these things had happened, whether or not they actually did, wouldn't that make him a traitor?

Then ask the last question: IF Obama uses a second term to consolidate his power, what exactly are you prepared to do about it.............if Congress and the Courts are no longer defending the Constitution?

That is why THIS election upcoming, perhaps more so than any election since just before the Civil War, is so absolutely critical. Quoting Obama, elections have consequences. I understand the frustrations that some of you have with the current state of American electoral politics and the often poor choices that conservatives have been faced with lately. I understand the motivation to protest by either not voting, or voting for a candidate who has no prayer of winning. But, protest votes are a luxury better used when the stakes are not so high. I honestly believe that in THIS election, that is not a luxury we can afford, even if the republican choice is less than ideal. This is not because I love country-club republicans. This is because the alternative could easily descend into armed rebellion, pushed there by the stalinist policies of a second Obama administration.
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The irony is that the Federal government under Obama and Holder are directly responsible for supervising and enabling the illegal smuggling of rifles across the border. The original question hinted at Fast and Furious, but curiously, none of the answers addressed it.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:
VMI77 wrote:I"m a little reluctant to use the term "traitor,"......
Not me. I believe that he is one of the domestic enemies warned against in the oath. He's not just a bad president, like Jimmy Carter was. He is a malevolent person bent on the reduction of the US into a "manageable" entity that will passively accept its loss of sovereignty and passively accept direction from its socialist masters....whomever they turn out to be. I mean, just where does "fundamentally change" cross over into "treason"—when our entire way of living and the rentire relationship between government and governed is irrevocably changed except through violent means? Because that is not that far off from where I think he has pushed us to. If he is reelected, and he follows through on surrendering security to Putin's evil, and abolishes 2nd Amendment protections through executive fiat, etc., etc., then what else IS he exactly, but a traitor? And when his treason is complete, what recourse will we HAVE except either violent resistance, or complete submission? Nobody in his or her right mind wants things to come to that. But if it ever does come to that, it will be because we've been pushed there by a treasonous president, backed by an acquiescent or abdicative Congress.

Back in late February, member stevie_d_64 posted a thread about a series of Matt Bracken novels called the "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" trilogy. Granted, they are purely fiction....and by the way, they are a riveting read and very well written. I'm picky, and I enjoyed them tremendously. Anyway, the point I'm getting at is that you don't have to be overly paranoid if you're a 2nd Amendment supporter in order to believe that we are probably fewer than 6º of separation from the storyline postulated in the novels, and it is downright scary. These books were published for a specific purpose: as a warning. Here is a link to that thread: viewtopic.php?f=81&t=52955&start=0. Yes, it is fiction; but it is fiction based on the current political and economic times in which we find ourselves today, and written from the perspective of one who is concerned with the erosions of the Constitution and the loss of our most basic rights. It is about how one side deliberately, and in concerted effort, and with an end goal in mind, progressively diminishes the meaning and the importance of the Constitution to the preservation of individual liberty, and the evil that comes out of that. There isn't anything in those books that, from where we are sitting right now, could not be a reality within 6 months or 6 years from now.

On the day that Obama signed a treasonous healthcare bill into law—a bill that would fine ME a $225/month punishment for the "crime" of not having purchased insurance that I cannot afford in the first place—that was the day that I accepted that he does not actually think I have any rights in the matter, or in any other matter, and that citizens are not really citizens but subjects. Doesn't he understand that if I could afford that fine, I might even be able to afford insurance? That is the day that he crossed over from merely being a bad president whom I disliked, to being my enemy. There is only one thing he can do to recapture his former status in my eyes, and that would be to concede that the whole thing was a huge mistaken debacle, and to rescind it. Then he would return to being merely a bad president. But as long as he believes that he can invoke the authority to create a commercial product and then force me into the stream of commerce for that product, or punish me by means of a monthly fine for not doing so, then he is the domestic enemy of all Americans who find themselves in the same boat that I'm in. And as long as Congress allows that to remain standing, and SCOTUS refuses to strike it down, then that makes the entire government my enemy. It is not up to me to further surrender my rights as a citizen. It is up to them to step back from the edge of the abyss toward which they are pushing us. Obama warned the "unelected" justices not to strike down the law, but right now, that slender 5/4 majority of the Court which seems disposed to strike it down is the ONLY part of the federal government that legitimately represents ME. The rest of them can go to hades.

Ask yourself this question: If, hypothetically, Congress and the Supreme Court unanimously offered Obama the position of King, complete with their own resignations, all to be finalized on the passage of a last congressional act which would surrender all governing powers to the executive and his cabinet.....do you think Obama would decline, or accept the offer? Me? I think he would accept it. That would make him A) unqualified for office now; and B) a traitor if he were to accept it. Of course, all of this is purely speculation, but it is based on my gut instincts about the man, and on what we already know about his casual disregard for personal liberty, and his demontrated record of preferring big government and small subjects. There is nothing that Obama, and by extension the entire left, desires more than power. They desire it more than human rights. They desire it more than free speech. They desire it more than national security. They desire it more than national sovereignty. They desire it more than a stable and productive economy. They desire it before the sanctity of human life. They desire it more than all things. Why? BECAUSE THEY VIEW THEMSELVES AS UNIQUELY BENEVOLENT AND TRUSTWORTHY, WANTING ONLY WHAT'S BEST FOR THE REST OF US, and the "noble" ends justifying their means. That is a VERY dangerous self image, and that encapsulates Obama. Anybody who desires power with that kind of messianic lust cannot be trusted with it, because their lust will direct them to treasonous behavior. The ONLY person who can be trusted with that kind of power is the person who doesn't want it, and would refuse to accept it, because he is humble enough in his own heart to know that his imperfect and capable of doing wrong. That does not describe Obama.

Then ask yourself a second question: If Obama began governing as if these things had happened, whether or not they actually did, wouldn't that make him a traitor?

Then ask the last question: IF Obama uses a second term to consolidate his power, what exactly are you prepared to do about it.............if Congress and the Courts are no longer defending the Constitution?

That is why THIS election upcoming, perhaps more so than any election since just before the Civil War, is so absolutely critical. Quoting Obama, elections have consequences. I understand the frustrations that some of you have with the current state of American electoral politics and the often poor choices that conservatives have been faced with lately. I understand the motivation to protest by either not voting, or voting for a candidate who has no prayer of winning. But, protest votes are a luxury better used when the stakes are not so high. I honestly believe that in THIS election, that is not a luxury we can afford, even if the republican choice is less than ideal. This is not because I love country-club republicans. This is because the alternative could easily descend into armed rebellion, pushed there by the stalinist policies of a second Obama administration.
I don't disagree, really....I have the tendency to think of a "traitor" as someone selling out their "own" group or fellows to another group. Given that the group at issue here is "Americans," I tend to look at treason in the more limited sense of selling out to a foreign power. Certainly with respect to his Oath of office, to protect and defend the Constitution, he's a traitor, but then, so is most of the Congress. It's a little more complicated with Obama, because I'm not sure he is any any real sense an "American." I'm not talking about race or about any question of his birth, I"m referring to a sense of shared values about what America is supposed to be and what it means to be an American. So, if you're not really an American, can you be a "traitor?" Certainly he is an enemy of America, as he is obviously out to destroy what now exists, and replace it with something entirely different.

I'm probably overly pessimistic, but I really don't expect to see the electoral system correct our problems. Not only is NOTHING being done to fix our economic problems, Obama's bunch seems to want to start a race war, a class war, and an ideological war. I think he's deliberately trying to collapse the country.
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This, I think, is the primary driver of all collectivists and tyrants, and is the signature trademark of the Left. I think civil unrest is the plan. I dragged my feet in getting a CHL, and really only ended up getting one in anticipation of large scale civil unrest --so I'd be armed and prepared when it starts, wherever I am. I'm fortunate not to have to live in a large metropolitan area, and to work with people with similar values, the majority of whom own guns, and a large number of whom have CHL's. My company even just recently sponsored a CHL class for employees. I will not be at all surprised if as early as the end of this year, or sometime next year, I will be driving to and from work with not just my carry weapon, but an assault rifle or shotgun on the seat beside me, and perhaps a team of armed coworkers, for self-defense. I'm glad I live in Texas too, because I sure wouldn't want to be living in one of the People's Republics like Kalifornia, Merryland, or New Jersey when it all goes down.
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Heaven help us. TAM and VMI77 I am afraid you are both right.

I don't know, but I fear that we are taking the last deep breaths of liberty before the plunge. If Obama wins...good chance game is over. Get your ammo while you can and store your guns in a hidden location cause "he will have more flexibility then." He can do so much damage then. If he does not win by some stroke of amazing luck, as I fear voter fraud will be rampant, we may have riots depending on how it is handled, as a certain percentage of the population has been promised the moon. These next few months will be pivotal in our country's history.
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mamabearCali wrote:Heaven help us. TAM and VMI77 I am afraid you are both right.

I don't know, but I fear that we are taking the last deep breaths of liberty before the plunge. If Obama wins...good chance game is over. Get your ammo while you can and store your guns in a hidden location cause "he will have more flexibility then." He can do so much damage then. If he does not win by some stroke of amazing luck, as I fear voter fraud will be rampant, we may have riots depending on how it is handled, as a certain percentage of the population has been promised the moon. These next few months will be pivotal in our country's history.

Economic disaster was looming even without Obama, but to mix metaphors, BO has the pedal to the metal now, and a tipping point may be fast approaching.
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Assault weapon ban and NATO arms treaty? I think they go hand in hand.
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MeMelYup wrote:Assault weapon ban and NATO arms treaty? I think they go hand in hand.

One minor correction: it is NOT a NATO arms treaty, but a UN arms treaty. I hate the UN just about as much as I despise the mainstream media...NATO has had its ups and downs, but they have been more of an annoyance at times than a real problem.
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