Divided Attention wrote:My oldest daughter (now 20) has been very patriotic from a very young age thanks to my dad. She was in NJROTC in high school and served as the Color Guard Commander her senior year. She is a Flag geek! She has had us stop at daycares when driving by - they were closed, so she turned the upside down Texas Flag and put it below the American Flag as it should be. She has also had us stop to inform many businesses that their flags were incorrect, torn, etc. Most have responded confused, but positively after she explained why it was so important. Makes me proud! Her Grandpa would be thrilled!
Good for her, you, and your father. Growing up learning the value of respect and patriotism is sadly not the 'norm' anymore. I myself try to thank my parents every chance I have for raising me respecting others and America. Thank you for raising your daughter to show/give the same!
I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.
JP171 wrote:the Texas flag is allowed to be flown at the same height as the US flag, but on a single pole it should be flown under but it is not required to be. btw this is the ONLY flag in the US that is allowed to fly in this manner
This is a myth I first heard from a boat pilot in San Antonio. The USC states:
4 USC §7 wrote:(f) When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag's right.
Any other flag may be flown at the same height as the US flag, as long as the US flag is on its right, which is considered a higher position for equal-height flags.
I had also heard this and believed it for most of my life. The reason given was that Texas had been a nation and was admitted by treaty. However, that treaty was never ratified and Texas was soon annexed by joint resolution.
Apparently, the only portion of the myth is true is that Texas does retain the right to subdivide into five states.
I've been known to stop in places to remind them they need to lower their flag on Memorial Day. I have gotten some attitude but most are thankful that I brought it to their attention.
I have even offered to lower it for them after bringing it to their attention. I think most were too afraid to look like a tool if they told me no. lol
"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- M218
Every day I witness the neglect and abuse of American flags, and it really galls me that someone
had the patriotic intention to display the flag, yet does it badly.
The flag is always supposed to fly free, and not be restrained. Some people have the flag outside, but it's tied
up with a shoe lace. What's up with that?
People mount their flags so low that they catch on thornbushes and rip up the flag.
They fly ripped and torn flags that should be replaced with a nice new one.
They'll take a flag down and prop it in a corner of their front door area, where it touches the ground.
It's sad that Americans who treat the flag badly just don't care.
Rant off.
SIA
N. Texas LTC's hold 3 breakfasts each month. All are 800 AM. OC is fine.
2nd Saturdays: Rudy's BBQ, N. Dallas Pkwy, N.bound, N. of Main St., Frisco.
3rd Saturdays: Golden Corral, 465 E. I-20, Collins St exit, Arlington.
4th Saturdays: Sunny St. Cafe, off I-20, Exit 415, Mikus Rd, Willow Park.
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:
People mount their flags so low that they catch on thornbushes and rip up the flag.
This. My neighbor. Flagpole appears to be mounted IN the bushes. I wanted to so badly to go knock on their door and let them know this isn't proper. I believe the man of the house would be receptive to this info, but the woman? She'll rip your head off on a GOOD day.
JP171 wrote:the Texas flag is allowed to be flown at the same height as the US flag, but on a single pole it should be flown under but it is not required to be. btw this is the ONLY flag in the US that is allowed to fly in this manner
This is a myth I first heard from a boat pilot in San Antonio. The USC states:
4 USC §7 wrote:(f) When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag's right.
Any other flag may be flown at the same height as the US flag, as long as the US flag is on its right, which is considered a higher position for equal-height flags.
You beat me to it. I usually explain that there are some unique qualities to the Texas flag because the state flag happens to be identical to the historic Republic of Texas flag.
If it's being flown as a historical representation of the Republic, then one should follow the rules for other country flags. If it is being flown as a state of Texas flag, then it should follow the rules for the state flags.
Try to imagine the Republic of Texas flag with an "R" on it and the State of Texas flag with an "S" to know when to follow which rules.
It would not be appropriate - according to the flag code - to fly the U.S. flag and Texas state flag at the same height while flying other state flags at a lower height. One could do such a thing with the Republic of Texas flag, but you'd expect the state flag to also be represented in the lower height grouping and for there to a be a historic reason for displaying the Republic of Texas flag e.g. along with other countries that once had sovereignty on our soil.
I too am a bit of a flag etiquette stickler. It galls me when I see a US flag all tattered or flown after sundown with no spotlight ... I've been met with about 70/30 with 70 thanking me for the "heads up" and 30 with attitude of who cares ... My 11y/o daughter has become a hardcore spotter of torn or tattered flags. While at a 4th event yesterday she was alarmed when the VFW allowed the flags of the different armed services touch the ground and asked if they now needed to be burned. She's all over it...
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George Washington
C-dub wrote:You are, of course, correct. However, the only thing I would have done differently is that I would have asked them to replace them as soon as they could for the same reasons you gave them instead of "telling" them. IMHO, that came off wrong to them/her and she instantly resisted whatever you were telling her whether or not she might have originally agreed with you or not.
I probably would have been met with the same resistance, but who knows?
thanks for the input. I tried to just 'inform' her and really, I was expecting an "oh, thanks, we'll get on that asap." I can see where she is coming from, but I think that her "so" remark made me upset.
The reason for this, IMHO, is that they are flying the flag not for patriotic reasons but because it's good for business. I believe that if that wasn't true they'd take care of it or at least so some concern. As it is, it's just one more thing on the list to take care of, and not a priority.
I think her replies show that attitude.
Jay E Morris,
Guardian Firearm Training, NRA Pistol, LTC < retired from all
NRA Lifetime, TSRA Lifetime NRA Recruiter (link)
I am glad to see so many folks care. Few do. Four flags were flown on my street Wednesday and two of those flew incorrectly. The Indian immigrant family across the street stuck a flag into a bush but it touched the ground. The guy next door flies a flag 24/7 but it is never lighted. I want to tell them but don't need an enemy.
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:
People mount their flags so low that they catch on thornbushes and rip up the flag.
This. My neighbor. Flagpole appears to be mounted IN the bushes. I wanted to so badly to go knock on their door and let them know this isn't proper. I believe the man of the house would be receptive to this info, but the woman? She'll rip your head off on a GOOD day.
Maybe you could knock on their front door... while holding a white flag.
JP171 wrote:the Texas flag is allowed to be flown at the same height as the US flag, but on a single pole it should be flown under but it is not required to be. btw this is the ONLY flag in the US that is allowed to fly in this manner
This is a myth I first heard from a boat pilot in San Antonio. The USC states:
4 USC §7 wrote:(f) When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag's right.
Any other flag may be flown at the same height as the US flag, as long as the US flag is on its right, which is considered a higher position for equal-height flags.
You beat me to it. I usually explain that there are some unique qualities to the Texas flag because the state flag happens to be identical to the historic Republic of Texas flag.
If it's being flown as a historical representation of the Republic, then one should follow the rules for other country flags. If it is being flown as a state of Texas flag, then it should follow the rules for the state flags.
Try to imagine the Republic of Texas flag with an "R" on it and the State of Texas flag with an "S" to know when to follow which rules.
It would not be appropriate - according to the flag code - to fly the U.S. flag and Texas state flag at the same height while flying other state flags at a lower height. One could do such a thing with the Republic of Texas flag, but you'd expect the state flag to also be represented in the lower height grouping and for there to a be a historic reason for displaying the Republic of Texas flag e.g. along with other countries that once had sovereignty on our soil.
__________^^^^^^ Is that a state flag flying on the right of the U.S. flag - and at the same height?
