Weapons definition on employers policy

[Kanuk]

Hi all,

New guy here. Looks like a great site.

I've been carrying for the past 10 years. and my last employer had a 30.06 sign and the handbook specified no guns on property or parking lot.

I've recently changed employers and their policy is very vague.

it states

Unless local law expressly permits possession of a weapon in a locked personal vehicle on company property, you may not possess or use on company property or at any company sponsored event any weapon, any component of a weapon (e.g., ammunition) or any object, explosive or chemical designed to inflict harm to another person. You must report any instance of violence, hostile behavior or possession of weapons on company property to Security and a supervisor immediately. In cases of imminent danger, you should contact 911 or local law enforcement first, and then contact Security.


There is no definition of weapons. Mine include hammers, golf clubs, cars.... but not projectile target system ;)

So I'm guessing their intention is to mean firearms.

Anybody else run into this issue? any advice?

[recaffeination]

It doesn't look like there's any legal issue but they can fire you for any reason, except those prohibited by law or contract.

[Keith B]

Welcome to the forum.

Here is the way I personally always have interpreted the term weapon. If it is listed in TPC 46, then it would be considered a weapon if you had it illegally. And yes, we know other things CAN be used as weapons, including purses, keys, etc, but they are not defined as such in the TPC, so you would have to prove it was intended to be used as such. I can guarantee they would include a firearm as a weapon.

Remember, the advice you get on the Internet is worth exactly what you paid for it.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

Unless local law expressly permits possession of a weapon in a locked personal vehicle on company property

Well, since Texans now have the "parking lot bill", allowing for the storing of your guns, in your locked vehicle on company grounds

AND

since Texas appears to have no pre-emption of state law by local governments.....

My non-lawyer opinion is that you could store your firearm(s) in your vehicle, which would appear to be OK with Texas statute,
AND with the letter of your employer's policy.

As always, DO NOT ask anyone at your new employer about the policy, or discuss gun ownerhip. Be vewwy, vewwy quiet.
Even a fish wouldn't get in trouble if he kept his mouth shut.

Now if you chose to carry a concealed handgun within the walls of the workplace, that would violate the policy.

But keep in mind that maybe the person you replaced on the new job is the one who may come back packin' and out of his mind with revenge.
It's your call. You can get another job easier than you can get a new life.

SIA

[RPB]

agree with SIA,
and

Welcome to the forum.

Here is the way I personally always have interpreted the term weapon. If it is listed in TPC 46, then it would be considered a weapon if you had it illegally. And yes, we know other things CAN be used as weapons, including purses, keys, etc, but they are not defined as such in the TPC, so you would have to prove it was intended to be used as such. I can guarantee they would include a firearm as a weapon.

Remember, the advice you get on the Internet is worth exactly what you paid for it.

I agree, but am kinda puzzled what category crossbows fit into since I don't see them expressly mentioned in TPC46 ... and they are NOT "firearms" as defined; therefore, I may buy one Saturday to carry into the 30.06 posted Medical Imaging place the following week (If I don't, it's only because I don't want a disorderly conduct charge I wouldn't deserve, but ... )

[C-dub]

Welcome to the forum Kanuk.

I am not a lawyer and it has been quite a while since I've stayed in a Holiday Inn, but it sure sounds to me like they wrote a policy to follow state law so that they wouldn't have to amend their policy whenever state law changed. If only my own employer had such foresight and respect for their employees.

[srothstein]

I agree, but am kinda puzzled what category crossbows fit into since I don't see them expressly mentioned in TPC46 ... and they are NOT "firearms" as defined

I agree that archery equipment is not covered by chapter 46 at all. It is legal to walk around carrying a bow or crossbow. If you recall, this was even part of the theme of the Dukes of Hazzard - Bo and Luke used bows and arrows because they were on probation for felonies and could not carry firearms.

But if you use a crossbow, you need to wear tights and have someone play the William Tell overture for you. I certainly hope you can shoot an apple, also.

[WildBill]

I agree that archery equipment is not covered by chapter 46 at all. It is legal to walk around carrying a bow or crossbow. If you recall, this was even part of the theme of the Dukes of Hazzard - Bo and Luke used bows and arrows because they were on probation for felonies and could not carry firearms.

I missed that part. I must have been too busy looking at Daisy Duke.

[tbrown]

I agree that archery equipment is not covered by chapter 46 at all. It is legal to walk around carrying a bow or crossbow. If you recall, this was even part of the theme of the Dukes of Hazzard - Bo and Luke used bows and arrows because they were on probation for felonies and could not carry firearms.

It may be legal but if the employer has a policy prohibiting weapons at work then the OP shouldn't be surprised if they get fired for carrying a bow and arrows at work. Except maybe on Halloween if they're dressed like Robin Hood, but I wouldn't bet my job on it.

Our policy manual is silent on the subject of weapons, bibles, contraceptives, and other personal stuff. I still probably wouldn't carry a bow and a quiver of arrows on Halloween unless they were NERF or some other obvious toy.

[WildBill]

I agree that archery equipment is not covered by chapter 46 at all. It is legal to walk around carrying a bow or crossbow. If you recall, this was even part of the theme of the Dukes of Hazzard - Bo and Luke used bows and arrows because they were on probation for felonies and could not carry firearms.

It may be legal but if the employer has a policy prohibiting weapons at work then the OP shouldn't be surprised if they get fired for carrying a bow and arrows at work. Except maybe on Halloween if they're dressed like Robin Hood, but I wouldn't bet my job on it.

Our policy manual is silent on the subject of weapons, bibles, contraceptives, and other personal stuff. I still probably wouldn't carry a bow and a quiver of arrows on Halloween unless they were NERF or some other obvious toy.

A NERF bible?

[tacticool]

Blessed are the toymakers.

[kjolly]

I dont think a cane or sissors could be considered a weapon.