Liberal arrogance

[longhorn_92]

I am experiencing firsthand with co-workers and some family members the arrogance of their liberalism.

I was told that my conservative, constitution believing mindset is "antiquated and needs to change with the times." I was even told that the division in this country is NOT because of our President rather, "We're divided because half of us are intellectually stuck in the 1800's." The arrogance I am experiencing is quite bold now since the election. It was even suggested that half of America needs to be re-educated with the times. This person was not laughing at the time he suggested this. To me, he was not joking.

I am wondering what everyone else is experiencing? Have you personally noticed a change in America ideas and attitudes towards your values? I have noticed a change towards Judeo/Christian and conservative values for years however, it is just becoming bolder and in your face. In recent days, I have personally experienced others who are showing or even implying a patronizing superiority attitude.

Are we heading down a path now that conservative values are no longer mainstream but considered Radical and Extreme? Where exactly are we heading and what experiences are you having? It is almost like Conservatives need to just shut up or learn progressive ways or just leave. It is an attitude of intollerance to those who don't accept liberalism or progressive ideas or socialist values.

Here is Rachel Maddow (MSNBC) giving her condescending opinion on the election results:

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[Seabear]

I saw it coming from some long time friends on Facebook. Cool thing is Facebook allows you to de-friend them with a couple clicks. Election night found me clicking on a few who were making comments even worse than what you are mentioning. Just like TV, I don't have to put up with it....click.

Unfortunately we can't click away all those that are naive sheeple, we are headed for hard times I am afraid.

[sjfcontrol]

What do you expect from Rachel Madcow...

By the way, I don't believe we were "shellacked". But they WERE shellacked two years ago. I didn't see them make any changes.

In fact, the election didn't actually change much at all. 18 months of campaigning, and after it was all over, nothing changed.

[mamabearCali]

This what I think. We have aprox 300 million people in this country. Approximately 120 million voted. It was just about a 50/50 split. So we have 1/6 of our population that actively wants handouts, socialism, and liscence and govt endorsement of every kind of alternative lifestyle. We have another 1/6 of our population that feels strongly in the other way. I would imagine there is another small group that is conservative but simply could not stomach Romney.

But I think our main problem is the half of the country that does not care as long as the gov' doesn't mess with their sitcoms. Apathy is the real killer here. Apathy is what is going to cause this country amazing amounts of financial pain very very soon.

[sjfcontrol]

This what I think. We have aprox 300 million people in this country. Approximately 120 million voted. It was just about a 50/50 split. So we have 1/6 of our population that actively wants handouts, socialism, and liscence and govt endorsement of every kind of alternative lifestyle. We have another 1/6 of our population that feels strongly in the other way. I would imagine there is another small group that is conservative but simply could not stomach Romney.

But I think our main problem is the half of the country that does not care as long as the gov' doesn't mess with their sitcoms. Apathy is the real killer here. Apathy is what is going to cause this country amazing amounts of financial pain very very soon.

Perhaps not so small. Amazingly (at least for me) Romney got almost 2 million fewer votes than McCain did in 2008. One can, I think, safely assume that there were very few people who would have voted for McCain last time, and Obama this time, and that there would be quite a few that voted for Obama last time, and for Romney this time. Anyway, at least 2M people that voted for McCain, didn't vote this time.

By the way, Obama got almost 8 Million fewer votes this time than 2008.

[RPB]

intellectually stuck in the 1800's

That's when Cesar was over Rome right?
or was that another similar empire that fell just after they went "forward"..

Last time I heard "forward" was when we were playing Pirate and I was blindfolded, walking a plank ... that didn't end well either.

[sjfcontrol]

intellectually stuck in the 1800's

That's when Cesar was over Rome right?
or was that another similar empire that fell just after they went "forward"..

Last time I heard "forward" was when we were playing Pirate and I was blindfolded, walking a plank ... that didn't end well either.

Umm, I think you're off just a tad...

Gaius Julius Caesar (Classical Latin: [ˈɡaː.i.ʊs ˈjuː.lɪ.ʊs ˈkaj.sar], July 100 BC – 15 March 44 BC)

[RPB]

That was my point, when these young folk say "you can't understand, your stuck in horse n buggy ... stuck in old thinking ...
I point out historical cycles ... and the results of particular government/society/behaviors/actions
Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

A "time line" is really shaped like a Slinky, just not many know it yet, thinking it's a line or a wave, but it depends where you stand when you look at it; much like the doppler effect. Just depends on perspective; when you draw a line through the spiral, the same/similar events happen on each ring

intellectually stuck in the 1800's

George Santayana is known for the sayings, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
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Pssst Don't tell the physics guys getting grants that the strings in String Theory are really tiny spirals, they need more grant money first ... however part of a string theory sort of envisions ... like an ant walking around a wire/rope/string in a spiral as well as going #Forward utilizing multiple dimensions, so ...

[karder]

What frustrates me is that it seems like a huge portion of society seems to believe that the office of the Presidency is about social retooling. I have heard the liberals talk about the Republican party reinventing itself and trying to attract voters of one race or another, and being more accepting of one lifestyle or another. When in the world did government's primary job become about weaving the social and moral fabric of society? The job of the government needs to be focused on the business of running our country and right now, our country is going bankrupt. The media spent the entire election openly endorsing Obama and focusing on race, gender, and entitlements.

The government, voters and media better wrap their heads around the national debt, job loss, and boring stuff like the GDP. Instead of worrying about "empowerment" we need to get back to the nuts and bolts of running this nation. The mistakes the Republicans made is they thought that focusing on the economy during these very troubled times would be sufficient. Clearly, many voters are not tuned in.

I know a very nice young lady who told me she voted for Obama. I asked her why. Her answer was that she knew he did not do a very good job the first four years but that she trusted him. She said that she really likes Michelle Obama and knows that someone like Michelle would not marry a bad person, so she had voted Obama. No lie folks, that was her reasoning.

We have a bunch of clueless people who spend their days watching "the Real Housewives" and "Honey Boo Boo" and then go vote for president based on idiotic reasons. That is the only reason that the most failed President in my lifetime could cruise to a victory. We are in big trouble.

[TexasCajun]

The gloating is to be expected, especially in proportion to your advocacy for a new president or opposition to our current one. Fortunately, the majority of my family believe as I do, so I can ignore the rest of it. The most effective answer to the gloating & baiting is to simply smile & acknowledge that the Dems did fend off a substantial challenge. And that is the reality. The good guys lost this one. But with almost a 50/50 split among the popular vote, the current regime has anything but a mandate to push this country into the squallor or socialism.

Based on information that I've found, it looks like Romney pulled the highest level of support from white males that any candidate ever has. Unfortunately, he was well behind BHO in every other demographic group. So the libs are correct in that the message that the GOP was pushing out is somewhat antiquated for today. I absolutely hate the fact that we can't hold on to Ronald Regan's "I never left the Democratic party, they left me" philosophy. But the reality is that if the GOP is going to have any kind of a future, it's going to have to try to appeal to a broader base. And it looks like they're going to make a run at the hispanics with a shift in immigration stance to start.

I've decided that I need to get more politically active. So my elected representatives, along with a few others, are going to start to hear from me on a regular basis. There is a lot of work to be done & it's gotten a bit more difficult as a result of the recent election. The Texas Legislature meets in a few months, the mid-term elections are in 2 years, and our recently elected officials at the Congressional level will be setting up shop soon. It's time to make sure that these folks get to know us really well!

[The Annoyed Man]

I was assured by another member IN THIS FORUM that because I am a "traditional values" guy, I'm an "extremist." I don't even know how to process that.

I say the following without apology. If it offends anyone, then they can go jump off a cliff:

I am an evangelical Christian. I recognize the right of others to believe differently than I do, but the 1st Amendment of the Constitution also defends my right to believe and practice my religion as I see fit, and to freely associate with other like-minded believers—just as it defends the right of others of different faiths, including the faith of atheism, to believe or not believe whatever their consciences dictate to them. It is true that Congress shall make no law establishing religion. It is equally true that Congress shall make no law preventing the free exercise thereof.......including MINE. If that doesn't sit well with anyone, then let them depart from here, because to deny that is to deny a founding principle which is enshrined in the Constitution. The person who disagrees with any of the above is an enemy of the Constitution, and therefore an enemy of the state.

Now, my faith is so tightly intertwined with who I am as a man and as a human being, that I am categorically unable to see the world any other way than through the lens and filter of my faith. To ask me to accept anything else is to ask me to deny my faith. I will not do that..........NOT because I am an extremist, but because I actually believe the things I believe, to the exclusion of those things which do not jibe with what I believe. IF I were any other way, I would be a hypocrite, and I despise a hypocrite as much as the next person does.

So when another person tells me that "times have changed," and I have to learn to be OK with abortion [for instance], I cannot do that. I am NOT OK with abortion, and I never will be. This is because my faith, which informs my view of the world, teaches me that abortion is murder of the unborn, and that therefore, there are only very limited circumstances under which it is morally permissible. I am not making this statement in the context of this thread to try and argue this point with anyone. I will NOT argue it. My belief is not up for negotiation. This is what I believe.

I mention this point because I want to illustrate the idea that we have moved past the point in many areas in which further compromise is acceptable. For the social conservative, compromise ALWAYS means a shift further to the left. Progressives NEVER are willing to occasionally drift back the other way so as to add actual MEANING to the word "Compromise." For people like me, we have arrived at a point where we are done giving in and caving in, and it is now time for the other side to give in and cave in their fair share, to borrow a phrase they love to use.

But, because progressives are possessed of a chronic character defect—that of being congenitally unable to either A) speak the truth; and B) stand by an agreement they've made—now social conservatives are being told.....AGAIN......that if we aren't willing to compromise (read that as: "shift a little more to the left of what we've already agreed to"), then WE are extremists, not the other illegitimate children who pushed the boundaries of what is decent and acceptable outward and who will NEVER be satisfied. I can NEVER compromise enough to satisfy a progressive. There is only ONE outcome that will satisfy—temporarily—a progressive, and that is the one in which I abdicate all responsibility, and all belief in something spiritually greater than progressivism, and finally submit totally to the progressive's complete dominion over my life, my actions, my thoughts, and my beliefs........because that is at the actual core of what defines a "progressive" society. A progressive society NEVER makes room for free thinking.

If refusing to be dragged any further up the dungheap of progressivism makes me an extremist, then I will wear that scarlet letter proudly. Beyond that, I am actually ashamed of anyone who would be so blind as to call themselves a conservative of any stripe and who would insist that I must not only be dragged and led up that dungheap of progressivism, but that I must willingly climb it to avoid the spurious label of "extremist." It's not just un-American, it is downright Evil with a capital "E."

longhorn_92, the next time a family member suggests that you need to be reeducated, ask him if he believes in the validity of Chinese style reeducation camps, and whether or not the government ought to invoice your family for the cost of the bullet used to execute you because you refused to submit to their reeducation—like the Chinese do.

[2farnorth]

If refusing to be dragged any further up the dungheap of progressivism makes me an extremist, then I will wear that scarlet letter proudly. Beyond that, I am actually ashamed of anyone who would be so blind as to call themselves a conservative of any stripe and who would insist that I must not only be dragged and led up that dungheap of progressivism, but that I must willingly climb it to avoid the spurious label of "extremist." It's not just un-American, it is downright Evil with a capital "E."

You are not alone in those feelings. I whole heartedly concur.

[powerboatr]

I was assured by another member IN THIS FORUM that because I am a "traditional values" guy, I'm an "extremist." I don't even know how to process that.

I say the following without apology. If it offends anyone, then they can go jump off a cliff:

I am an evangelical Christian. I recognize the right of others to believe differently than I do, but the 1st Amendment of the Constitution also defends my right to believe and practice my religion as I see fit, and to freely associate with other like-minded believers—just as it defends the right of others of different faiths, including the faith of atheism, to believe or not believe whatever their consciences dictate to them. It is true that Congress shall make no law establishing religion. It is equally true that Congress shall make no law preventing the free exercise thereof.......including MINE. If that doesn't sit well with anyone, then let them depart from here, because to deny that is to deny a founding principle which is enshrined in the Constitution. The person who disagrees with any of the above is an enemy of the Constitution, and therefore an enemy of the state.

Now, my faith is so tightly intertwined with who I am as a man and as a human being, that I am categorically unable to see the world any other way than through the lens and filter of my faith. To ask me to accept anything else is to ask me to deny my faith. I will not do that..........NOT because I am an extremist, but because I actually believe the things I believe, to the exclusion of those things which do not jibe with what I believe. IF I were any other way, I would be a hypocrite, and I despise a hypocrite as much as the next person does.

So when another person tells me that "times have changed," and I have to learn to be OK with abortion [for instance], I cannot do that. I am NOT OK with abortion, and I never will be. This is because my faith, which informs my view of the world, teaches me that abortion is murder of the unborn, and that therefore, there are only very limited circumstances under which it is morally permissible. I am not making this statement in the context of this thread to try and argue this point with anyone. I will NOT argue it. My belief is not up for negotiation. This is what I believe.

I mention this point because I want to illustrate the idea that we have moved past the point in many areas in which further compromise is acceptable. For the social conservative, compromise ALWAYS means a shift further to the left. Progressives NEVER are willing to occasionally drift back the other way so as to add actual MEANING to the word "Compromise." For people like me, we have arrived at a point where we are done giving in and caving in, and it is now time for the other side to give in and cave in their fair share, to borrow a phrase they love to use.

But, because progressives are possessed of a chronic character defect—that of being congenitally unable to either A) speak the truth; and B) stand by an agreement they've made—now social conservatives are being told.....AGAIN......that if we aren't willing to compromise (read that as: "shift a little more to the left of what we've already agreed to"), then WE are extremists, not the other illegitimate children who pushed the boundaries of what is decent and acceptable outward and who will NEVER be satisfied. I can NEVER compromise enough to satisfy a progressive. There is only ONE outcome that will satisfy—temporarily—a progressive, and that is the one in which I abdicate all responsibility, and all belief in something spiritually greater than progressivism, and finally submit totally to the progressive's complete dominion over my life, my actions, my thoughts, and my beliefs........because that is at the actual core of what defines a "progressive" society. A progressive society NEVER makes room for free thinking.

If refusing to be dragged any further up the dungheap of progressivism makes me an extremist, then I will wear that scarlet letter proudly. Beyond that, I am actually ashamed of anyone who would be so blind as to call themselves a conservative of any stripe and who would insist that I must not only be dragged and led up that dungheap of progressivism, but that I must willingly climb it to avoid the spurious label of "extremist." It's not just un-American, it is downright Evil with a capital "E."

longhorn_92, the next time a family member suggests that you need to be reeducated, ask him if he believes in the validity of Chinese style reeducation camps, and whether or not the government ought to invoice your family for the cost of the bullet used to execute you because you refused to submit to their reeducation—like the Chinese do.

well said

[Rex B]

When conservatives lose, we wring our hands and search our souls and look to compromise so we'll be a bit more likable next time. We do this every 4 or 8 years, hit the Reset button.

When Liberals lose, they dig in and improve their ground game. They don't change their views or their platform. They have been doing that for 90 years or more, and they are good at it. Theirs is the long view, and they never give up.

Listen to the post-election interview comments from John Boehner. It will make you sick. Now think about how Pelosi would have responded to the same sort of questions. She's mean and spiteful and conniving and slick as owl snot. She's straining at the leash right now.

Tell your congressman and Senators No Compromises!


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[mamabearCali]

TAM I am with you 100%.