JALLEN wrote:I'm sorry, but after long and prayerful consideration, I've concluded that anyone who can be described as a "Bush-hater" is not fit company in polite society, likely suffers from moral hydrophobia, may constitute a danger to himself and those around him, and ought to be avoided, shunned, at every opportunity.
I've met El Diablo, and dined with him, and with his dad. I imagine a great many here have as well, being Texans. I understand political disagreement, that it is impossible for a President to act so as to please all of the constituents, choices must be made etc. Fine. But the level of vitriol that has been directed at these fine men, along with Dick Cheney, is stupefying, and speaks extremely ill of those who engage in it.
There is not a person among us who wouldn't be thrilled to death to have our children grow up to be like these two men, to have the record of accomplishment over many decades. Only in America in these perverse times can a person who graduated from both Yale and Harvard, served in the military flying the most dangerous airplane in the AF inventory at the time, run a variety of businesses, including a major league baseball team which built a new stadium with public approval, raised a family to responsible adulthood, served as Governor of one of the most popular and successful states, and was re-elected, then served two terms as President be regarded as a malicious dummy, especially while Bill J. Clinton is regarded as virtually a national hero.
Usually someone who regards the Second amendment with respect ought to be a welcome friend, but not people like this. They need to examine their views and get them straightened out to have any persuasive value on other aspects of life.
Sorry for the drift.
JALLEN, I understand, and I even agree that the level of vitriol directed against those men is beyond the pale. I would go even further and say that, what Bush II created in DHS and TSA was transformed from a well-intentioned but legitimately questionable in execution attempt by Bush/Republicans to keep the country safe, into an overarching and intrusive monster of subjugation by democrats, having more to do with repressing our people than with keeping them safe. Democrats unionized DHS and TSA, and on and on and on.... Further, I have stated on these pages that I think Bush II
and his father are really fine men of the highest moral fiber, and having a deep abiding faith in God, and I admire them both for that.
But that said, unless you're prepared to bring leftist democrats before firing squads—which nobody in good conscience can support—we HAVE TO deal with them as fellow citizens. They vote. They are wrong on so many things, but they vote, and they have the same rights that we espouse. So when one of them makes an impassioned argument in support of the 2nd Amendment, I can rise above my fundamental disagreement with that person on so many other things, in order to use HIS arguments in defense of the 2nd Amendment to persuade OTHERS who are otherwise of the same mind as he is but hate guns.
Let's face it..... when prominent liberal thinkers are saying things like gun owners are all white racists who need to calm down, there are TWO kinds of people whose input can be very valuable to protect and extend our freedoms under the 2nd Amendment: 1) people of color who say the same things we do; and liberals who say the same things we do. If you approach a liberal and try to reason with him on the RKBA, he can and most likely will counter with an entire refutation of everything conservative, including the RKBA. But when an ardent
liberal argues for the RKBA, for all the right reasons, the person whom you are trying to convince cannot throw down the conservative boogieman card. When a person of color argues for the RKBA, the person whom you are trying to convince cannot thrown the race card.
WE are today facing the imminent eradication of our rights under the 2nd Amendment. I am not willing to over look a powerful tool in helping to make my case to someone who is anti-gun, just because the author is opposed to me on
other things.......not if it will help to make someone change their mind who might otherwise dismiss out of hand
anything I say because I am a white conservative. This is the equivalent of allying with Stalin to defeat Hitler. Nasty business, but this is where we find ourselves. If we cannot find allies in the defense of the 2nd Amendment on the other side of the aisle, even if we hate their hatred of Bush, then the 2nd Amendment will ultimately end up on the ash-heap.
If you don't want that, then you need to learn to hold your nose and use such tools if they will further the cause. I value my sacred honor as much as you do, but I would consider myself dishonorable if I deliberately ignored a valuable tool in that defense, and we lost.
That's just my 2¢, and not intended to offend.
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