10mm or 45acp??

[tarbe]

Another vote for .45 ACP.

Each of us who answered have a pile of 45 ammo....we become your best friends when you are out of ammo and can't find any.

With the 10mm, you'll likely be throwing your empty gun!

You'd think it'd be the other way around, what with stores always being out of stock of the common calibers now.

I agree, if the stores were the only place to get ammo.

My point is, there are many thousands of like-minded brethren with millions of rounds of 45 auto out here. We will be the store.

Not so much for the 10mm?

[John75]

Ok, I'll vote 10mm since I have one and somebody has to stand up for them! When I was in Cabelas this past weekend, 10mm was about the only handgun ammo to be found. So I pickup up some. I plan to get into reloading at some point. Also, I have a Glock 29 and have a drop in barrel to convert it to .40 cal. so it's quite versatile when you consider that.

[longhorn_92]

Ok, I'll vote 10mm since I have one and somebody has to stand up for them! When I was in Cabelas this past weekend, 10mm was about the only handgun ammo to be found. So I pickup up some. I plan to get into reloading at some point. Also, I have a Glock 29 and have a drop in barrel to convert it to .40 cal. so it's quite versatile when you consider that.

Do you need another magazine for the drop in barrel (.40 cal) in your Glock 29 or can you use the 10mm mag?

[Skiprr]

The Marketplace section is specifically for offers to sell and offers to buy. Since this seems to be more a discussion than a classified ad, I'm moving it to the General Guns category. Once the OP decides what he wants to purchase, he can re-post in the Marketplace.

[CC Italian]

Sorry I am late to the party. I am one of those 10mm lovers. Sorry but this is going to be long. If you only own one handgun it shouldn't be a 10mm. As for 10mm or 45acp I own both. Let me break it down for you a little.

Yes it is more powerful then the .45acp. Yes it does have more recoil then 45acp+P but not that much more and this only holds true to loads from companies like Underwood or Buffalo Bore. The watered down stuff is just like shooting .40 S&W. It is a good handgun hunting round IF you do your part on game up to elk. My dads friend regularly hunts bull elk and has taken 2 with a similar setup like mine. Glock 20 6inch barrel. From a 6inch barrel the hot loads are about equal to medium .41 mag loads from a 4inch barrel. I have taken mule deer, white tail, javelina, wild hogs with clean one shot kills.

As for concealed carry or personal defense I don't think the round has really anything over the .45acp or .40 for that matter. To me .40, .45, 10mm are all about the same in the personal defense from 2 legged creatures. FYI, I also own a Glock 27.

I just got back from two academys tonight just to see how bad it was. I have been sick for 3 weeks and haven't been to a gun store or anything in weeks. WOW! At the Academy in Tomball the only handgun calibers they had were 45 LC and 10mm. I laughed so hard when the clerk said they had nothing but odd calibers. Same thing happened in 08. No ammo but I always remembered seeing .45 GAP.

As for 10mm becoming less popular? I would say that is dead wrong! I never saw 10mm on a counter 4 years ago when I first got my Glock 20. Now even if it is the watered down .40 S&W loads you can find it at all of my local academys. I asked my local shooting range and they said that over the last 5 years 10mm spent brass is way more common. People are shooting it but if you haven't noticed yet all the good stuff comes from online dealers. Underwood being the best bang for the buck imo. Right now they have no ammo. I bought it all a month ago!

Anyways, unless you going backpacking out west a lot like me their is nothing the .45acp won't do for you in Texas. I have dropped all the game I mentioned for me with a .45 except the mule deer. On bigger game the 10mm will be better for hunting or protection from black bear or moose but it is no .44 mag. Just a powerful semi auto and probably one of the most versatile ones at that.

Long story short buy the .45acp first unless you plan on going hunting, camping or hiking out of state. In Texas the .45acp is enough.

[CC Italian]

By the way both Academy's I went to said that starting today they will only sell one box per visit for handgun ammo! I asked them if this was true for all stores and they said to their knowledge it was true for at least this region of Texas. They said every morning long lines form and the first 10 guys buy all the ammo and that more then likely they are going to sell it at gun shows.

[John75]

Do you need another magazine for the drop in barrel (.40 cal) in your Glock 29 or can you use the 10mm mag?

Same magazine for both.

[JSThane]

I used to own a Glock in 10mm, and while it wasn't the most unpleasant gun to shoot, it also wasn't that far away (beaten only by a Taurus Tracker .44 and a Kahr PM40). Go with .45. The difference in effective, delivered power on the target is negligible (they're both pistol rounds, and all pistol rounds stink compared to rifle and shotgun). .45 ACP is (usually) easier to find ammo and components for, and is (slightly) wider. And even though the Ten isn't THAT much more powerful than the big 45, it IS enough to produce a more unpleasant muzzle flip and recoil.

Unless, of course, you're looking to spend the ca$h on a proper 10mm in 1911, and then pick up proper reloading equipment and supplies for it, in which case I will whole-heartedly support the Big Ten. I've been wanting another 10mm in AOG (Anything Other than Glock) for a while now.

[CC Italian]

Just checked. Underwood has plenty of 10mm in stock know!

[CC Italian]

One more small point. 10mm doesn't have an over penetration problem. Anybody who has kept up with 10mm loads knows this. File this under Internet myth and from outdated 80s loads that are no longer in production. In fact many 10mm loads penetrate less then. 40s&w. The increased velocity causes hp rounds to open up sooner. Check out tn outdoors latest underwood 10mm 200 grain xtp test. He gets 16 inches of penetration. In a standard hornady 200 grain xtp you will get 20-22 inches. This is because the hornady load runs about 1030fps from a factory glock and the underwood runs full power loads at 1250-1300 from the same barrel. Put it this way a 165 grain gold dot in full power 10mm penetrates about the same or a little less then when loaded on the .40 S&W case. Also, to get optimum penetration, expansion and weight retention you have to either slow the 10mm down or run heavier loads so it doesn't get out of the designed velocities of the bullet. Almost all the bullets are designed for 40 S&W. This is why the 200 grain xtp and nosler are some of the best hp for 10mm.
None of this is to say that it can't penetrate deeper then most semi autos with the right loads. A 220-230 hardcast can go up to 40 inches in ballistic media but those are hunting and woods carry only loads.

[longhorn_92]

Does anyone have an opinion on the Glock 29 or Glock 29sf?

[Iunnrais]

I really like my 29SF, but it wouldn't be (and wasn't) my first choice. It does have a permanent part in my carry rotation for modes of dress where I can get away with something larger than my Walter PPS but not go OWB with my 1911. It's fun to have around but if I were perfectly honest, the role it fills could have been just as readily filled with one of the .40 Glocks or a nice commander sized 1911 (or maybe a twin to my wife's SR9C). My Colt's 5" barrel is just a tad bit long for all-day IWB (not to say that it can't work, it just rubs me wrong by the time late afternoon rolls around) . Knock 3/4 - 1" off the barrel length and I'm perfectly fine all day.

The 29SF with most factory 10mm is pretty much the same to shoot as the .45 as far as felt recoil. Although if I go with the Underwood loads, a box of 50 is all I really want to go through in one session. One thing I will say is that I do feel a much greater need to police up all of my 10mm brass when I go out to the range. The .45 is so common that I don't mind losing them, same with 9mm. I've got several hundred 10mm sitting in a drawer just waiting for me to finish putting together my reloading bench this spring (assuming that I can find everything I need then).

[Jim88]

however the .45 is common round but not as powerful.

I'm curious as to what you think you may run into where the .45 ACP isn't powerful enough to get the job done. If I was ever in a situation where my 1911 wasn't good enough, I think it would be a good time to run away so I could fight another day.