NFA item on Ebay?

[Keith B]

This included fashioning a 2 liter bottle for the end of your rifle to make a poor mans silencer. Assembly of said parts or possession of parts that could be readily assembled require a Form 1 and a Tax Stamp,

So the bottle of Diet Mt. Dew and duct tape I have in my car require a Form 1 and a Tax Stamp?

I think once assembled or sold as a silencer adapter, then yes, it would be illegal. I will bet the people selling these on eBay have figured out a way that it barely gets by. I am just suprised Fleabay hasn't pulled down the listings.

[JJVP]

A suppresor adapter is not an NFA item. Google search found dozens of places that sell suppresor adapters. If an adapter was an NFA item, then a threaded barrel would also be an NFA item. The suppresor itself is the NFA item. The same as a lower being the "gun", but not the upper in an AR-15. If you buy it online, you have to get it through an FFL. Not so for an upper.

The above is my opinion only. IANAL nor stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Parts that can be fashioned or assembled into a silencer or suppressor are considered NFA items under current ATF rules and case law. This included fashioning a 2 liter bottle for the end of your rifle to make a poor mans silencer. Assembly of said parts or possession of parts that could be readily assembled require a Form 1 and a Tax Stamp,

You are correct in 1 point in that a booster or adapter for a suppressor is not considered an NFA controlled part in some instances, however adapter made to fit items on barrels that could be used to silence, quiet or supress the sound of gunfire are considered NFA regulated parts.

See: http://www.atf.gov/publications/downloa ... pter-2.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NOTE: the language in the definition of silencer contains no provisions that permit an owner of a
registered silencer to possess spare or replacement components for the silencer. However, licensed
manufacturers who are SOTs may possess spare silencer components in conjunction with their
manufacturing operations.

From the ATF link

2.1.7 Silencer. A firearm silencer and a firearm muffler are defined as any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm.18 Firearm silencers are generally composed of an outer tube, internal baffles, a front end cap, and a rear end cap.

The definition of a silencer also includes any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler.
The following illustration depicts parts that are designed and intended for use in assembling a firearm silencer. Another example of parts redesigned and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer are automotive engine freeze plugs that have been modified by drilling a hole through their center to permit passage of a bullet.
Also included within the silencer definition is any part intended only for use in the assembly or fabrication of a firearm silencer.

Any of the above illustrated components meet the definition of a firearm silencer and are subject to the NFA. NOTE: the language in the definition of silencer contains no provisions that permit an owner of a registered silencer to possess spare or replacement components for the silencer. However, licensed manufacturers who are SOTs may possess spare silencer components in conjunction with their manufacturing operations.

A silencer only covers the parts listed above. The adapter is not part of the silencer any more than a threaded barrel is part of a silencer.

The spare parts mentioned are the tube, baffles, end cap and front cap.

[hpcatx]

They can claim whatever they want. When the ATF sees it, they will say it's NFA. The rest will be decided in court, LONG after all your firearms and money are gone.

Read the ads closely. The listings are for the adapters only, although include photos of the adapters next to the suppressors -- which could be misleading.

I stand by my first post and JJVP is correct. When the ATF see the homemade cans, sure they will say the cans are NFA items, but not the adapter rings that are the actual items for sale here. There are plenty of thread adapters and threaded barrels available online that are not NFA items and do not even require a FFL for transfer.

[wheelgun1958]

Hickok45 has a video on a similar product. It is marketed as a NFA class III item.

Video

[Carry-a-Kimber]

The company that manufactures the Econo Can also makes a "solvent trap". They are the exact same thing and with thread onto a barrel. The difference is the Econo Can requires a Form 4 transfer and a $200 NFA stamp. Just a matter of time...

[grim-bob]

It looks like the solvent trap adapter is slightly different than the can adapter. It appears that the solvent trap model doesn't cover all of the holes in the filter whereas the can model does. Without those covered I suspect it would result in some blowback. At least that's what it looks like on the few pictures I see. None are great views though....

Add the washer in between like some of the models on ebay and I think you are pushing the envelope though....

[Carry-a-Kimber]

For the record, I'm sure there are hundreds of items sold on eBay daily that the BATFE would consider to be NFA items.

[The Annoyed Man]

Both ads appear to be for the thread adapters, not the actual suppressors, and therefore are not NFA restricted. You can purchase threaded barrels, adapters, thread protectors, etc., online (at least before the recent run on all things gun related) and the parts do not require FFL transfers.

According to this YouTube video, put up by another company selling basically the same kind of product, the adapter IS an NFA item:
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=haiqFcIXTqs[/youtube]

[Hola Gato]

It looks like you could make one in your garage with $10 in parts from your local AotoZone. Not including the filter.