What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
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What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
Still relatively new to firearms and CHL status, and I am weak for knowledge.
Not that I want to give her ideas, but does the list and proposed bill have any loopholes, and or cool tactical/great defensive rifles, shotguns and handguns; she may wish she had included ?
Not that I want to give her ideas, but does the list and proposed bill have any loopholes, and or cool tactical/great defensive rifles, shotguns and handguns; she may wish she had included ?
Re: What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
As you said, let's not give her any ideas.
Feinstein is extraordinarily uninformed about firearms. Given her illogical and irretrievable position, I'd just as soon she stay uninformed.
Last December 17, Feinstein said, "I have been working with my staff for over a year on this legislation" and "It will be carefully focused." Indicating the depth of her research on the issue, she said on December 21 that she had personally looked at pictures of guns in 1993, and again in 2012.
Epic.
It would be quite difficult to give this woman new ideas. Let's not even try.
Instead, let's fight all her inane Congressional bills.
Feinstein is extraordinarily uninformed about firearms. Given her illogical and irretrievable position, I'd just as soon she stay uninformed.
Last December 17, Feinstein said, "I have been working with my staff for over a year on this legislation" and "It will be carefully focused." Indicating the depth of her research on the issue, she said on December 21 that she had personally looked at pictures of guns in 1993, and again in 2012.
Epic.
It would be quite difficult to give this woman new ideas. Let's not even try.
Instead, let's fight all her inane Congressional bills.
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Re: What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
Dianne Feinstein is a complex blend of narcicism, and true belief in authoritarian marxism.
Two of her close freinds/rivals were gunned down in San Francisco City Hall by, Dan White an angry City Council member who lost his job. Dan White however was an ex-cop/reserve cop and would have been allowed to keep his guns under her ban rules?
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Two of her close freinds/rivals were gunned down in San Francisco City Hall by, Dan White an angry City Council member who lost his job. Dan White however was an ex-cop/reserve cop and would have been allowed to keep his guns under her ban rules?
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Re: What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
You can easily commit mass murder with a single shot. It doesn't matter though. When you know nothing about a subject, yet try to push your opinion on someone who does, you just look stupid. That's why half he country laughs, and the other half thinks we're crazy.
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Re: What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
To provide an actual answer to the question - I don't think so.Gordie Howe wrote:...but does the list and proposed bill have any loopholes, and or cool tactical/great defensive rifles, shotguns and handguns; she may wish she had included ?
I've read all 122 pages several times. It appears, at first, to have a giant loophole in that it only applies to semi-automatic firearms, making the notion of a "tactical pump" reasonable. Remington makes such a thing in several variations: http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7615.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The manual pump action allows you to sidestep the "one-characteristic" change that kills off all that inventiveness used to build loophole guns during the original AWB and in California.
HOWEVER, the magazine capacity ban still comes into play, neutering the ability of even a pump to deliver sustained fire.
Theoretically, you could argue that the wording of the bill is silent on whether an entire firearm can be considered a "high capacity ammunition feeding device". I think the intent is clear that a fixed, blind magazine permanently attached to a firearm would be interpreted, based on other sections of the bill, to be a "high capacity ammunition feeding device".
Thus, after studying it for quite some time I've change my initial impression that there was a loophole. At first read, it looks like you could build something like that Model 7615 Remington but give it a large-capacity, *fixed* magazine; redesign the gun to feed and eject from the top; and include the ability to use stripper clips (which would be limited to 10 rounds) to charge or top up the fixed magazine. That would be a rule-beater rifle.
Unfortunately, the wording is open to interpretation that this rule-beater design, taken as a whole device, could be classified as a "high capacity ammunition feeding device". While I hope someone would design something like this and submit it to BATFE for clarification if the law passed, I doubt we'd get a good outcome.
tl;dr version - No, there are really no loopholes I can see. Anyway, the point is moot since the legislation, in its original form, was DOA. It was just posturing; the battle has moved on to more narrow legislative proposals.
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Re: What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
I think she missed flare guns. 

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Re: What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
Now would be the time to make some sort of magazine carrier mounted to the gun itself, or maybe inside the stock.
Re: What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
I think they over-reached like Prohibition. Over-night millions of Americans became outlaws with the Volsted Act.. Alcohol was part of many cultures and even used in religious rituals for thousands of years, that's why it failed.
Millions of single mothers and women fearful of robbers, rapists, and stakers, will never surrender their handguns, let-alone the men who defend their homes and safety, and the stereotyped "gun nuts".
Millions of single mothers and women fearful of robbers, rapists, and stakers, will never surrender their handguns, let-alone the men who defend their homes and safety, and the stereotyped "gun nuts".
Re: What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
At this point, I don't really think it matters, I'm pretty sure nothing is going to pass on the federal level. Thank God for all the freedom loving Americans who called their Senators and Congressmen/Women and voiced their opposition.
Re: What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
I don't know.
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Re: What weapons did Feinstein miss ?
I think the "tactical" version was in there, with the telescoping stock - but once you have one, you can add your own stockldavidson wrote:Ruger Mini-14 and Mini-30. The ban only includes the folding stock version. These are fine weapons, with the reliability they have always been famous for, gentle recoil, and a number of recent improvements.
