My office is in a tall building which is also occupied by many other companies. The garage is open to everybody, tenants and visitors, and we park anywhere we want except for "reserved" parking. There's no specific "company property" except for the rooms my company rents. There's no 30.06 sign that I can find.
Is it perfectly legal to keep my guns in my car along with 100+ ammo?
Yes, I do have a CHL, and we do have a company no firearm policy. I don't intend to bring anything to my office of course.
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Well, since you have a CHL and there are no 30.06 signs, for all intents and purposes, you could carry concealed anywhere, in and around your business, that you wanted. The company's policy could give them grounds for firing you if they ever found out (even though they can fire you at any time for almost anything, or nothing, if they want to), but they won't be able to prosecute unless you fail to conceal or break some other law.
As for keeping it in your car, your golden. Again, they could fire you for it, but no charges.
I assume you don't work for the federal government, right?
As for keeping it in your car, your golden. Again, they could fire you for it, but no charges.
I assume you don't work for the federal government, right?
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A company in Texas can fire you for any reason, or even no reason at all.
As for prosecution . . . IANAL, but it seems to be that a verbal warning or instruction, unless it were duly witnessed, would be difficult to use as grounds for a successful prosecution. Verbal warnings put me in mind of the old saying about verbal contracts not being worth the paper they're printed on . . .
(Of course, if you're told to leave and refuse, and the cops arrive while you're still refusing to leave, that's a different story.)
As for prosecution . . . IANAL, but it seems to be that a verbal warning or instruction, unless it were duly witnessed, would be difficult to use as grounds for a successful prosecution. Verbal warnings put me in mind of the old saying about verbal contracts not being worth the paper they're printed on . . .
(Of course, if you're told to leave and refuse, and the cops arrive while you're still refusing to leave, that's a different story.)
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This is correct. If you were given verbal notice, that is enough. If you were given written notice in the employee handbook, it MUST be a verbatim copy of the 30.06 wording.RPBrown wrote:Verbal yes. Written has to be in 30.06 language though. And verbal, if I'm not mistaken, has to mention trespass. Someone will chime in that knows better
I know some employers that have their employees sign a waiver saying that they did receive, read, and understand their employee handbook. If yours included proper notice, and you signed it, then they have enough evidence to press charges.
If it didn't include proper notice, then certainly don't tell them.
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Re: Carrying in my car in an office building
You can keep as many guns, and as much ammo, in your car as you can fit. Your parking garage is not part of the "premises of" the building where you work.Stupid wrote:Is it perfectly legal to keep my guns in my car along with 100+ ammo?
This is gonna seem really really nitpicky. Just don't shoot me. But at least I know the attorneys in the room will appreciate precision...
All English communication is verbal. "Verbal" is not a substitute for "oral."
If you write me an email that says, "You're an idiot," the email is both verbal and written. If you tell me the same to my face--which you well might--the spoken message is both verbal and oral.
Ergo the usage of the correct wording in PC 30.05 and PC 30.06.
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But at least I know the attorneys in the room will appreciate precision...All English communication is verbal. "Verbal" is not a substitute for "oral."
If you write me an email that says, "You're an idiot," the email is both verbal and written. If you tell me the same to my face--which you well might--the spoken message is both verbal and oral.
Ergo the usage of the correct wording in PC 30.05 and PC 30.06.
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"Adjective
1. of, or relating to words
2. concerned with the words, rather than the substance of a text
3. consisting of words only
4. expressly spoken or written, as opposed to implied.
5. (grammar) derived from, or having the nature of a verb
6. (grammar) used to form a verb
7. spoken and not written; oral"
Most people assume that number 7 is the only definition.
Had a very interesting "debate" with some friends about just this several years ago and never really came to a final conclusion.
I don't know if I should hesitate to do this.
It was my contention, and I have not been convinced otherwise, that ASL American Sign Language), by its nature is NOT verbal, or at least not fully so. ASL deals more with symbols and concepts and less with words, as a matter of fact using it for words is somewhat cumbersome. Similarly several of the other sign languages worldwide.
OTOH, I was able to argue, with some success, that Morse Code is merely an encoding of words, and therefore is verbal, as well as semaphore.
1. of, or relating to words
2. concerned with the words, rather than the substance of a text
3. consisting of words only
4. expressly spoken or written, as opposed to implied.
5. (grammar) derived from, or having the nature of a verb
6. (grammar) used to form a verb
7. spoken and not written; oral"
Most people assume that number 7 is the only definition.
Had a very interesting "debate" with some friends about just this several years ago and never really came to a final conclusion.
I don't know if I should hesitate to do this.
It was my contention, and I have not been convinced otherwise, that ASL American Sign Language), by its nature is NOT verbal, or at least not fully so. ASL deals more with symbols and concepts and less with words, as a matter of fact using it for words is somewhat cumbersome. Similarly several of the other sign languages worldwide.
OTOH, I was able to argue, with some success, that Morse Code is merely an encoding of words, and therefore is verbal, as well as semaphore.
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