FireArm Policy

[pbandjelly]

What do you guys think would be a good way to go about looking for my job's firearm policy.
I work around a big flippin' magnet (1.5T), so it's not like I could carry regardless, but I just wanna know what they think.
go to HR and ask them for what? I don't exactly wanna go to my supe and say, "Hey, ya'll mind if I'm packin' my Heater up in hurr?"

[Mithras61]

What do you guys think would be a good way to go about looking for my job's firearm policy.
I work around a big flippin' magnet (1.5T), so it's not like I could carry regardless, but I just wanna know what they think.
go to HR and ask them for what? I don't exactly wanna go to my supe and say, "Hey, ya'll mind if I'm packin' my Heater up in hurr?"

If it's an official policy, it should show up in your employee handbook. Most of 'em contain some verbiage along the lines of "All weapons are strictly prohibitted."

No self-defense for YOU!

[Wildscar]

What do you guys think would be a good way to go about looking for my job's firearm policy.
I work around a big flippin' magnet (1.5T), so it's not like I could carry regardless, but I just wanna know what they think.
go to HR and ask them for what? I don't exactly wanna go to my supe and say, "Hey, ya'll mind if I'm packin' my Heater up in hurr?"

Dont really want to ask a direct questions casue before you nkow it there will be posting everywhere. Just go though all the information they give you when you are hired. If you can find no mention of it and the building is not post 30.06 then you will be good to go. Just my 2 cents. But since Im technically not CHL holder yet then I might not know what I'm talking about either.

[hi-power]

I had the same dilemma when I got my CHL. I had to re-read the employee manual and see if I could find anything prohibiting handguns. I didn't find anything.

If this was anything else, I'd follow-up with HR just to be sure, but I'm not going to in this case. If I happen to "get busted" for whatever reason here at work, I'll just deal with it then by telling management that I didn't see any signs and was not notified in writing or verbally that it was illegal.

I told my boss after I took the CHL class that I would probably just keep the gun in the truck, and he nodded and said, "Well, yeah", with the hidden meaning of "Well, of course...why would you carry it in here?". We left it at that, but that conversation was before I gleaned the good advice from this forum that I should keep my big mouth shut about it, especially at work.

[jbirds1210]

I bet the policy is available online in the Human Resources section........you might have to dig for it a bit. That is the case with my employer.
Jason

[kw5kw]

What do you guys think would be a good way to go about looking for my job's firearm policy.
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simply ask for a new employee handbook.

Read it in the privacy of your home to find out.

Russ
kw5kw

[seamusTX]

1. If it's a hospital, forget it.
2. Look for the bulletin board with legally mandated posters about minimum wage, discrimination, etc. Every place I have worked has posted a list of offenses that were cause for immediate firing, such as alcohol, drugs, fighting, and stealing.

- Jim

[pbandjelly]

thanks ya'll, for the info.

yeah, I started here almost 6 years ago. beginning of June will be my 1yr anniversary for CHL, so hadn't thought of it.
we have a pretty secure hospital, but I don't know if anyone saw my post about DRMC turning into the wild west about a month ago.
some nutjob started shootin' up our ER!
well, we have security (un-armed) and AN armed Sheriff's deputy in the ER. still, would hate to be "the first"

[GlockenHammer]

we have a pretty secure hospital

"Bologna" I say to PB&J.

[pbandjelly]

we have a pretty secure hospital

"Bologna" I say to PB&J.

well, all things considered.
good pun, by the way.

okay, here's this flippin' place's "Weapons" policy.
tell me whatchya'll think.

I. POLICY:

It is the policy of this facility to provide a safe, healthy and efficient working environment for employees, patients, and visitors, which is free of violence, threatening behavior and harassment.

II. PROCEDURE:

1. Rules

1.1 All applicants, prospective employees, and/or employees of this facility are prohibited from using or possessing a weapon of any kind, concealed or otherwise, at any time while on the premises of the Facility and/or while engaging and conducting business on behalf of the Facility.

1.2 “Weapon� means any device or object capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to another person, including, but not limited to handguns, shotguns, rifles, automatics, semi-automatics or other firearms, “stun guns� and/or knives, blades longer than 3� in length. “Weapons� do not include mace, pepper spray or other similar devices intended to temporarily disable a person, or pocket knives with blades 3� in length or less. In general, any article used as a weapon against another individual may be considered a weapon.

1.3 This policy applies at all times to applicants, volunteers, prospective employees and/or employees of the facility on the premises of the facility, including, but not limited to: before, during and after normal working hours, weekends, holidays and while visiting the Facility’s premises and not on duty and/or as a customer. It also applies to at all times when employees are engaged in conducting business on behalf of the Facility whether such employees are on or off premises.

2. Searches

2.1 When there is a reason to believe that an employee is in possession of a weapon, the Facility reserves the right to conduct a search as a condition of continued employment.

2.2 Searches include, but not limited to: the person and/or property, clothing, personal belongings, handbags, purses, brief cases, backpacks, tool boxes, lockers and vehicles (whether personal or company-owned).




3. Enforcement

3.1 Any employee who violates any part of the Facility’s weapons policy may be subject to disciplinary action up to, and including, involuntary termination.

3.2 Any employee who refuses, obstructs or prevents a search undertaken pursuant to this Policy is subject to disciplinary action up to and including discharge.

3.3 Appropriate law enforcement officials may be notified if there is any violation of this Policy.

[barres]

Ok, you can lose your job if you are carrying. But the wording used is not 30.06 compliant, so you couldn't be convicted of violating that statute. It also sounds like they think you can't have a weapon in your car (since they reserve the right to search your vehicle), and you told your supervisor that you have (or at least had) a firearm in your vehicle. That could come back to bite you, career-wise, if someone wants to make an example of you. Again, it is not illegal, but looks to be in violation of company policy.

IMHO, of course.

[soccerguy59]

Here is my companies Violence in the Workplace Policy. My question is the language about if this policy, (unless such prohibition is contrary to local law).

Does this imply that if I am CHL, I can carry in the workplace. I asked by leader and they said no and no in parking lot.

Purpose
To create a workplace free from threats and other acts of violence and to define the responsibilities of XXXXXX employees and leaders for reporting and addressing threats or acts of violence
Definitions
Workplace violence is any act occurring in the workplace, which results in threatened or actual harm to people or property.
Weapons or dangerous devices include, but is not limited to, handguns, rifles, shotguns, automatic weapons, knives with blades longer than three inches, explosive devices, or any other devices designed to cause bodily harm or injury.
Background
XXXXXX has a long-standing policy of valuing its employees as its most important asset. XXXXXX is committed to protecting the health and safety of each employee by striving to provide a work environment that is free of harassment, threats, and acts of violence.
However, violence exists in society. Therefore, every XXXXXX employee must be diligent and work to reduce the potential for, and recognize the warning signs of, violence in the work environment.
Scope
This policy applies to all officers, directors (as appropriate), employees, visitors, suppliers, contract laborers, and any agents and representatives of XXXXXX while acting on behalf of XXXXXX or any of its directly or indirectly majority-owned or controlled subsidiaries.

Policy
XXXXXX will not tolerate any threat, direct or implied, or conduct that results in harm to people or property; that harasses, disrupts, or interferes with another's work performance; or that creates an intimidating, offensive, or hostile environment.
This conduct includes, but is not limited to, the possession of weapons or dangerous devices by employees, contract laborers, suppliers, and visitors of XXXXXX, outside the normal scope of their employment, while representing XXXXXX or conducting XXXXXX business, or at any time on XXXXXX or XXXXXX client premises (unless such prohibition is contrary to local law). (Official law enforcement personnel are exempt from this restriction.)
Tasks and Responsibilities
Chief Security & Privacy Officer
Ensure the development and implementation of a program of reasonable care to prevent, mitigate, and respond to incidents of workplace violence
Leaders
• Educate employees
• Report incidents
• Be sensitive to situations that may have some risk of violence
• Respond to a threat (real or perceived) of workplace violence
Employees
• Be sensitive to situations that may have some risk of workplace violence
• Communicate concerns and cooperate in efforts to resolve concerns
• Avoid making threatening statements or gestures, or possessing weapons or dangerous devices, while representing XXXXXX or conducting XXXXXX business, or at any time on XXXXXX or clients' premises
• Immediately report the following acts or suspected acts by any XXXXXX employee, visitor, contract laborer or supplier, agent or representative:
o Threatening statements
o Threatening actions
o Possession of a weapon or dangerous device

Avenues to seek advice and guidance or to report any violations/suspected violations of this policy are:
• Immediate leader
• Open Door
• Chief Security & Privacy Office
• Office of Ethics and Compliance
• Human Resources Business Partner
Avenues for XXXXXX visitors, contract laborers and suppliers to seek advice and guidance or to report any violations/suspected violations of this policy are:
• Their XXXXXX employee contact
• Chief Security & Privacy Office
• Office of Ethics and Compliance
Consequences of Violation
XXXXXX employees who violate this policy may be subject to disciplinary action up to and including termination of employment, as well as criminal prosecution, if appropriate.
Visitors, suppliers, contract laborers and representatives of XXXXXX who violate this policy may be subject to criminal charges and, if applicable, termination of a business relationship with XXXXXX.

[pbandjelly]

Ok, you can lose your job if you are carrying. But the wording used is not 30.06 compliant, so you couldn't be convicted of violating that statute.

yeah, that's what I garnered, as well.

It also sounds like they think you can't have a weapon in your car (since they reserve the right to search your vehicle),

THIS was the part that I was concerned about. How on god's green earth can they require a search of a vehicle that is on an open-to-the-public parking lot.
'specially without a warrant.
I understand full well that they can give anyone the boot for anything, but come on. really? and what about the State Bill that was trying to get passed. I forget the number.

and you told your supervisor that you have (or at least had) a firearm in your vehicle. That could come back to bite you, career-wise,

I fully understand that. Wish I'da known a flippin' year ago.
The only SuperVisor that knows is my direct one, and she pretty much only has control over the schedule.
The Director, I have not told, but may know, due to the grapevine.
ah, well.
bygones, right?
thanks for the opinions.

[BrassMonkey]

If someone finds out, they can can you. This is Texas. Just leave it in the car.... Seriously, you really want to risk losing your job?

[pbandjelly]

My question is about the vehicle. How can they still have that policy?

and btw, watch yer language roun' here.