Oh no... my mother is one of "them"

ScubaSigGuy · Post by **ScubaSigGuy** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:48 am

Good luck with that Russell.

Skipper5 · Post by **Skipper5** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:57 am

Well Russell....good try and keep it going. Logic will prevail - even over emotion.
A sitting car does not cause an accident...it's the concept you tried to convey> it's not the weapon by itself that causes harm...> in this case, as in other times, a deranged person is at the center. A World War was started by such a individual...it was not the gun that started the War.

Patience and persistence!

Good luck// John

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:57 am

Criminals do not obey laws. Therefore, laws do not stop criminals from committing crimes.

Law-abiding people obey the law. Therefore, disarming law-abiding people does not prevent crime.

You just have to approach those ideas from every possible direction, until it sinks in. Sometimes it never does.

BTW, guards and metal detectors do not stop people from bringing in weapons. The Chicago public schools have both. Every now and then a junior thug has an accomplice toss a weapon in through a window or smuggles it in somehow.

- Jim

HankB · Post by **HankB** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:02 am

Russell wrote: . . . At this point she just cut me off and was done with the conversation . . .

My mother - bless her heart - is like this, too.

When a conversation isn't going her way, or if she doesn't want to answer a question, she just goes mute. Stops listening, stops responding.

Mute.

Edited to add: My Mom isn't an "anti" . . . if I take her out, she asks "Have you got your gun?" just to make sure I haven't forgotten it . . . but her debating technique is annoying.

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:53 am

HankB wrote:
Russell wrote: . . . At this point she just cut me off and was done with the conversation . . .
My mother - bless her heart - is like this, too.

When a conversation isn't going her way, or if she doesn't want to answer a question, she just goes mute. Stops listening, stops responding.

Me too. My mom was an x-ray tech for years and the gunshots see saw have permanently scarred her. She still doesn't know that I carry. And I think telling her might get me banned from her house.
Anytime the discussion comes up, she gets very defensive when I give facts and she can't. Then inevitably, she gets fed up, gets angry, and goes silent. I try to avoid these conversations as much as possible, but I will not back down when it comes up.
Oh well, at least my wife is coming along nicely. I ask her all the time, just to test the water, about shootings and what could have stopped them. Her response, "Somebody should have shot them before they could kill more people."
I'm so proud!

nitrogen · Post by **nitrogen** » Tue May 01, 2007 12:18 pm

My mom is an Anti, as well, and my dad is somewhat ambivalent. I just don't talk about it around them. I think my dad caught a glimpse of my CCW when we both were in New Mexico, because he started asking me about guns; though.

I love my folks, and I respect their opinions so I just don't bring it up. They really don't even know i'm "into" guns. I'm somewhat sad that I can't share that part of my life with them, but, that's why I love my inlaws! My father and law and I want to go big game hunting some day...

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Tue May 01, 2007 12:50 pm

"Honor your father and your mother..." (words to live long by)

Even if they don't get it...

In my case its a 50/50 split...

pbandjelly · Post by **pbandjelly** » Tue May 01, 2007 12:52 pm

kauboy wrote: Me too. My mom was an x-ray tech for years and the gunshots she saw have permanently scarred her.

shewt, I'm an x-ray tech that DOES carry! hahaha
I've seen few shootings (yes, including the obligatory blond haired, blue eyed 5yo that got shot with "somebody's" stolen gun). Just makes me feel more like people need a good edumakayshun!

"See, buddy? if'n you'da had a little Situational Awareness, I wouldn't be x-rayin' every square inch of ya, lookin' fer bullets. good thang they used them thar round nose bullets...."

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Tue May 01, 2007 12:53 pm

This would have made for an interesting poll...

Question:

Who's more Pro?

- Mom?

- Dad?

I thought I would phrase it towards the more positive side of the issue, and not dwell on the negative for the purposes of the poll...

I think there are plenty of Mom's out there who favor our side of the issue...

I bet there are some Dad's out there who may not as well...

It would be interesting to see these results...

jrosto · Post by **jrosto** » Tue May 01, 2007 2:08 pm

My Mom and Dad live in the Peoples Republic of CA.

They live in a county that will not issue CHL's to non-celebrities.

Mom carries a .357

I love my Mom :)

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Tue May 01, 2007 4:34 pm

My mom bought me my first gun about 40 years ago. She was never real crazy about them, and couldn't really afford it. But she bought me one anyway. It was for my 16th birthday

I miss her.

NguyenVanDon · Post by **NguyenVanDon** » Tue May 01, 2007 5:02 pm

I'm kind of in the same situation like some of you guys. I'm 22 years old and my parents are not that old at all. They do not know that I am carrying. Both of my parents are sort of anti-gun.

How can I go from on telling them that I am legally licensed to carry concealed?

Is it better to be left unsaid and not mention anything at all?

Any opinion from the experienced?

BTW, I don't live with my parents anymore, but I do visit and stay with them at least once or twice a month during the weekend. My parents will find out sooner or later though...

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Tue May 01, 2007 6:10 pm

NguyenVanDon wrote:I'm kind of in the same situation like some of you guys. I'm 22 years old and my parents are not that old at all. They do not know that I am carrying. Both of my parents are sort of anti-gun.

How can I go from on telling them that I am legally licensed to carry concealed?

Is it better to be left unsaid and not mention anything at all?

Any opinion from the experienced?

BTW, I don't live with my parents anymore, but I do visit and stay with them at least once or twice a month during the weekend. My parents will find out sooner or later though...

Well, you and I are kinda in the same boat. I'm 23 and my folks don't know. I figure the best way to prove to them that people can be responsible with guns is to go about my business for as long as possible without letting them know. Then, in a few years, if they find out, I can inform them that I have had it for X number of years and never had an accident or broke the law. Then remind them that I have had it with me on every occasion that I have ever been with them over the past few years. That ought to be proof enough that we are responsible with our guns.
Right???

NcongruNt · Post by **NcongruNt** » Tue May 01, 2007 6:22 pm

NguyenVanDon wrote:I'm kind of in the same situation like some of you guys. I'm 22 years old and my parents are not that old at all. They do not know that I am carrying. Both of my parents are sort of anti-gun.

How can I go from on telling them that I am legally licensed to carry concealed?

Is it better to be left unsaid and not mention anything at all?

Any opinion from the experienced?

BTW, I don't live with my parents anymore, but I do visit and stay with them at least once or twice a month during the weekend. My parents will find out sooner or later though...

I'd say feel it out. It's interesting the people who you would think are anti, and end up actually being pro-carry. The reverse holds true, as well. Until you can be certain, don't tell is the best policy.

I had the same issue with my girlfriend, when I first started getting into guns (we had been going out for a little over a year). 6 months later, she's finally coming around. I am convinced that a lot of people are anti because of a complete ignorance of the subject. This was definitely true for my girlfriend. The only qualifying statement she could make is that guns are "scary". After bringing the subject up from time to time in discussion on the occasions that she was receptive, logic has begun to prevail. I think the story of what happened to my mother (which is posted on these forums at http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... 9198#69198) broke the initial barrier and answered the "why would you need one?" question. Interesting enough, the Penn & Teller "Gun Control" episode ( linked in these forums here: http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... 4591#74591) seemed to put the logic together for her. (Be aware that the linked video is a cable TV show, and has quite a bit of language some would find objectionable) I haven't gotten her out to the range yet, but it's in the works, and I think that will put the final nail in the coffin of her fear of guns.

My point is that if you can get someone to see the logic of carrying and give it some time, this can change someone from an anti to a proponent of the 2nd Amendment.

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