Back where we started? Too many 30-06s.....

[JSThane]

I see a 30-06 sign every time I drive in to work. It's posted on the front gate of my station.

In too-small letters.

In New Mexico.

Yes, we have a TPC 30-06 sign, in New Mexico, AND it's printed wrong!

Send us a picture.

Really don't wanna do that, as it'd give away where I work. I don't mind talking in generalities about my job, but there's enough politically-minded leftists in the way-ups that I'm a bit leery of giving away anything specific that would let them connect the dots and figure out I (along with most of my agency) don't agree with them, because I really don't want reprisals.

Yes, some of them ARE that petty and that dumb.

[MotherBear]

OK, OK, OK..... just trying to get this thread back on track... all I'm saying is that the number of places with 06 signs is steadily increasing, and before long it will reach the point where it was in the beginning: there will be so many of them it will be impossible to keep up with them all. In fact, there have been THREE additions to the Austin page of Texas3006.com since yesterday.

I live near Austin as well, and I don't run into the ugly things often. One of the listings that just went up today was Sprouts. I don't know if the posting there is new (looks like it's hidden behind crates of produce so it may have gone unnoticed, or maybe CHL holders don't shop at liberal businesses much to have seen it), but it's long been established that Sprouts is liberal and anti-gun. I don't shop there since they bought and killed my beloved Sun Harvest store, so no loss to me. Besides, their produce is garbage. Truthfully, I can only think of two places in the area I used to go pre-CHL that I don't go now: IKEA and the Round Rock Outlets. Otherwise, I don't think I've run afoul of any 30.06 signs.

[Cedar Park Dad]

OK, OK, OK..... just trying to get this thread back on track... all I'm saying is that the number of places with 06 signs is steadily increasing, and before long it will reach the point where it was in the beginning: there will be so many of them it will be impossible to keep up with them all. In fact, there have been THREE additions to the Austin page of Texas3006.com since yesterday.

I am somewhat familiar with the process of speaking with legislators and have done so many times before, and I am wondering if there is some idea out there for some legislation addressing this, to protect the rights of CHL holders AND at the same time respect the rights of private property owners to do what they want with their property. I'd like to put something together and take it to the Capitol. Any suggestions?

Thats the 30.06 sign. Thats why it was put into place. Anything else is an infringement on store owner rights. I may not like them, but that is their right.

[Oldgringo]

Lord willin', I'll walk past one in the morning at the local ETMC health center. The letters are not one inch in height but I shan't worry because I don't carry a handgun in my workout nickers....anyway.

That said, I did take my gun out of the console a couple of Saturday mornings ago in that parking lot. As I was leaving, some hoody wearing black person went for the passenger door and I told him "NO". He came around the front of the truck to my door and mumbled something, I said "NO, Get AWAY!" He mumbled something else and staggered off. I don't know if he was drunk, stoned and/or just retarded; however, I did have my Sig P230SL in my lap all the while this little scene was unfolding. Working out 3-4 times a week does not a 'spring chicken' make.

I am most glad that he left of his own accord, Federal Dura-Shocks ain't cheap, neither are lawyers.

[AlaskanInTexas]

That said, I did take my gun out of the console a couple of Saturday mornings ago in that parking lot. As I was leaving, some hoody wearing black person went for the passenger door and I told him "NO". He came around the front of the truck to my door and mumbled something, I said "NO, Get AWAY!" He mumbled something else and staggered off. I don't know if he was drunk, stoned and/or just retarded; .

Off to PC school with you...

[C-dub]

I see a 30-06 sign every time I drive in to work. It's posted on the front gate of my station.

In too-small letters.

In New Mexico.

Yes, we have a TPC 30-06 sign, in New Mexico, AND it's printed wrong!

With the jester smiley I can't be sure about this. If there really is one and in NM and were worded properly, it can't possibly be valid or enforceable. Am I missing something or is this just a joke?

[Oldgringo]

That said, I did take my gun out of the console a couple of Saturday mornings ago in that parking lot. As I was leaving, some hoody wearing black person went for the passenger door and I told him "NO". He came around the front of the truck to my door and mumbled something, I said "NO, Get AWAY!" He mumbled something else and staggered off. I don't know if he was drunk, stoned and/or just retarded; .

Off to PC school with you...

Being a good witness is not synonymous with being a racist and a bigot. If you don't believe that, just ask Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

[Ameer]

Oldgringo, doesn't that depend on what one observes?

[steveincowtown]

I haven't seen a 30.06 sign anywhere in Cowtown except the gunshows.


As far as private property owner rights they should have the right to verbally refuse service to anyone.


Verbally...just like the many, many other states where signs have no force of law.

30.06 signs was necessary at the time...and I get it. Times change.

[Oldgringo]

Oldgringo, doesn't that depend on what one observes?

Absolutely....and from what perspective.

[The Annoyed Man]

It occurs to me that a legislative change to a specific wording or other characteristic of a compliant 30.06 sign would automatically invalidate all existing signs. For instance, the law currently calls for 72 point type. So, using the Americans with Disabilities Act as a cover, legislators could change the type size requirement to 86 point type. Without even changing the wording, all previously existing compliant signs would become noncompliant. At least some of those businesses won't bother to bring their signs into compliance.

Democrats couldn't argue with the reasoning that the legislature wants all the signs to be easier to see and read.

Then the next time that the number of 86 point signs get too numerous, make a legislative change requiring the signs to be in English, Spanish, and Mandarin.

Etc., etc., etc.

[Oldgringo]

It occurs to me that a legislative change to a specific wording or other characteristic of a compliant 30.06 sign would automatically invalidate all existing signs. For instance, the law currently calls for 72 point type. So, using the Americans with Disabilities Act as a cover, legislators could change the type size requirement to 86 point type. Without even changing the wording, all previously existing compliant signs would become noncompliant. At least some of those businesses won't bother to bring their signs into compliance.

Democrats couldn't argue with the reasoning that the legislature wants all the signs to be easier to see and read.

Then the next time that the number of 86 point signs get too numerous, make a legislative change requiring the signs to be in English, Spanish, and Mandarin.

Etc., etc., etc.

Good idea! Where we summer on 'The Res', many signs are in Kootenai/Salish. They're really hard to cipher.

[rotor]

We just saw in Arizona that Gov. Brewer vetoed the legislation that would have allowed "business owners" the right to not serve someone if their religious feelings would be "hurt" such as serving a gay couple or whatever. What exactly is a property owner when a business is open to the public? Now my residence- I can say anything I want and keep anyone I want out but a business is a different story. When your doors are open to the public you give up rights for refusal to enter. You may ask someone to leave but you better have the right reason. And most business "owners" really don't "own" the property- they lease it. I keep hearing on this site that people feel that a business "owner" has almost the same rights as a homeowner but I wish that the legislature would seriously consider allowing chl holders the "right" to carry in any "business" that now can put up a 30.06. I also don't understand why one can't carry in a bar if one is drinking ginger ale or non-alcoholic beverages. We need to change some of these laws, the republican primary had a question about this and I think the yeahs beat out the nays. Courthouses- I can understand the ban but at a gunshow- give me a break.

[Jason K]

I agree with with your first statement. But I disagree with what I presume is your position that carrying a concealed weapon on someone else's property against their wishes does not violate their rights. I have the right to free speech, but if I show up at someone else's house or business and start swearing or talking about stuff they don't want to hear, I can expect to be shown the door so that I can exercise my right somewhere else.

To continue this analogy, the property owner would have the right to ban someone for thinking about cursing or speaking about unwanted subjects....esp if the thought is not displayed publically.

I'd like to see how that would feasibly happen....

[android]

if i happen upon private property and OC'ing and the property owner wants me to leave. that is his/her right because my rights don't violate theirs..... take that same situation but instead of OC i happen to be CC'ing. the same as my rights don't violate theirs, their rights don't violate mine.... it's not reasonable for them to know what i have under my clothes weither it be my sig or my underwear. Now if discovered the owner has the same right to ask me to leave as if i were OC'ing.

Are you saying that people should not be allowed to prohibit a certain type of item on their private property unless they can see the item? If that is what you are saying, I disagree.

A concealed weapon is no different than a religious belief or purple underwear.
Why should a business that OPENS ITS DOORS TO INVITE IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC be able to deny one but not the other?