george wrote:If you REALLY want to know the "skinny" on CHL in Texas, you need to do whatever it takes to attend one of Charles' classes on the subject.
This is not his CHL class (which is probably excellent also, but I cannot say first-hand), but a couple of times per year he does a "special" class. Do whatever you have to do to get to one, just do it.
I would love to attend this!! My CHL class was awesome (Crossfire), but to learn from Charles would just be amazing!! I will have to keep an eye out for this and see if hubs wants to go.
Glad you mentioned this!!
You can't beat Charles' 'Use of Deadly Force' seminar. I have attended 3 of them and learn more each time!!
Keith
Texas LTC Instructor, Missouri CCW Instructor, NRA Certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun Instructor and RSO, NRA Life Member
george wrote:If you REALLY want to know the "skinny" on CHL in Texas, you need to do whatever it takes to attend one of Charles' classes on the subject.
This is not his CHL class (which is probably excellent also, but I cannot say first-hand), but a couple of times per year he does a "special" class. Do whatever you have to do to get to one, just do it.
I would love to attend this!! My CHL class was awesome (Crossfire), but to learn from Charles would just be amazing!! I will have to keep an eye out for this and see if hubs wants to go.
Glad you mentioned this!!
You can't beat Charles' 'Use of Deadly Force' seminar. I have attended 3 of them and learn more each time!!
Does he post an announcement on here? I was looking through the class forums & didn't see anything.
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infoman wrote:You can't revoke someone's instructor certification for that.
That's nuts. You're telling me it's acceptable to the state of Texas for instructors to teach false information?
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george wrote:If you REALLY want to know the "skinny" on CHL in Texas, you need to do whatever it takes to attend one of Charles' classes on the subject.
This is not his CHL class (which is probably excellent also, but I cannot say first-hand), but a couple of times per year he does a "special" class. Do whatever you have to do to get to one, just do it.
I would love to attend this!! My CHL class was awesome (Crossfire), but to learn from Charles would just be amazing!! I will have to keep an eye out for this and see if hubs wants to go.
Glad you mentioned this!!
Hearing horror stories like this makes me so grateful I got to take the class with Charles.
Welcome to the forum OleWar and my apologies for having to endure what sounds like a painful CHL class. I encourage you to send a report to the DPS about this instructor, not for you, but for all of the new or inexperienced people that will be taking his class and receiving poor instruction and bad information.
infoman wrote:You can't revoke someone's instructor certification for that.
That's nuts. You're telling me it's acceptable to the state of Texas for instructors to teach false information?
It absolutlely is not acceptable to the DPS. When they receive complaints about instructors, they follow up on them and investigate. They may put someone in his class undercover to see exactly what is being taught. All active instructors are audited regularly for accuracy of their records. In the event the instructor is teaching in error or breaking the law, he or she will be either corrected or suspended, revoked or even prosecuted depending on what the infraction is. The DPS is proud of and protective of its CHL program.
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infoman wrote:You can't revoke someone's instructor certification for that.
That's nuts. You're telling me it's acceptable to the state of Texas for instructors to teach false information?
It absolutlely is not acceptable to the DPS. When they receive complaints about instructors, they follow up on them and investigate. They may put someone in his class undercover to see exactly what is being taught. All active instructors are audited regularly for accuracy of their records. In the event the instructor is teaching in error or breaking the law, he or she will be either corrected or suspended, revoked or even prosecuted depending on what the infraction is. The DPS is proud of and protective of its CHL program.
If my memory is working, Sherrie said DPS has never audited a class. That's why we don't need to fill out the class notification form any more.
Range Rule: "The front gate lock is not an acceptable target." Never Forget.
You have to do something extremely bad to get revoked. It's a big legal thing, it's extremely hard for DPS to revoke someone from a legal point of view.
infoman wrote:You can't revoke someone's instructor certification for that.
That's nuts. You're telling me it's acceptable to the state of Texas for instructors to teach false information?
It absolutlely is not acceptable to the DPS. When they receive complaints about instructors, they follow up on them and investigate. They may put someone in his class undercover to see exactly what is being taught. All active instructors are audited regularly for accuracy of their records. In the event the instructor is teaching in error or breaking the law, he or she will be either corrected or suspended, revoked or even prosecuted depending on what the infraction is. The DPS is proud of and protective of its CHL program.
If my memory is working, Sherrie said DPS has never audited a class. That's why we don't need to fill out the class notification form any more.
I know we do not have to do a class notification anymore but I did not recall being told they do not ever send someone to audit a class of an instructor who has a complaint against them. If so, then I stand humbly corrected.
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infoman wrote:You can't revoke someone's instructor certification for that.
That's nuts. You're telling me it's acceptable to the state of Texas for instructors to teach false information?
It absolutlely is not acceptable to the DPS. When they receive complaints about instructors, they follow up on them and investigate. They may put someone in his class undercover to see exactly what is being taught. All active instructors are audited regularly for accuracy of their records. In the event the instructor is teaching in error or breaking the law, he or she will be either corrected or suspended, revoked or even prosecuted depending on what the infraction is. The DPS is proud of and protective of its CHL program.
If my memory is working, Sherrie said DPS has never audited a class. That's why we don't need to fill out the class notification form any more.
It's also difficult when the DPS' own lawyer gives out false information. Remember when she said that any gunbuster sign was sufficient notice? I think someone on here is who contacted her and relayed that stunning opinion.
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infoman wrote:You can't revoke someone's instructor certification for that.
That's nuts. You're telling me it's acceptable to the state of Texas for instructors to teach false information?
It absolutlely is not acceptable to the DPS. When they receive complaints about instructors, they follow up on them and investigate. They may put someone in his class undercover to see exactly what is being taught. All active instructors are audited regularly for accuracy of their records. In the event the instructor is teaching in error or breaking the law, he or she will be either corrected or suspended, revoked or even prosecuted depending on what the infraction is. The DPS is proud of and protective of its CHL program.
If my memory is working, Sherrie said DPS has never audited a class. That's why we don't need to fill out the class notification form any more.
It's also difficult when the DPS' own lawyer gives out false information. Remember when she said that any gunbuster sign was sufficient notice? I think someone on here is who contacted her and relayed that stunning opinion.
Again depending on my memory (and perhaps unreliable info), but I seem to recall that that "lawyer" was no longer with the CHL department.
Range Rule: "The front gate lock is not an acceptable target." Never Forget.
george wrote:If you REALLY want to know the "skinny" on CHL in Texas, you need to do whatever it takes to attend one of Charles' classes on the subject.
This is not his CHL class (which is probably excellent also, but I cannot say first-hand), but a couple of times per year he does a "special" class. Do whatever you have to do to get to one, just do it.
I would love to attend this!! My CHL class was awesome (Crossfire), but to learn from Charles would just be amazing!! I will have to keep an eye out for this and see if hubs wants to go.
Glad you mentioned this!!
That is my goal this year is to attend Mr. Cotton's class.
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infoman wrote:You can't revoke someone's instructor certification for that.
That's nuts. You're telling me it's acceptable to the state of Texas for instructors to teach false information?
It absolutlely is not acceptable to the DPS. When they receive complaints about instructors, they follow up on them and investigate. They may put someone in his class undercover to see exactly what is being taught. All active instructors are audited regularly for accuracy of their records. In the event the instructor is teaching in error or breaking the law, he or she will be either corrected or suspended, revoked or even prosecuted depending on what the infraction is. The DPS is proud of and protective of its CHL program.
If my memory is working, Sherrie said DPS has never audited a class. That's why we don't need to fill out the class notification form any more.
It's also difficult when the DPS' own lawyer gives out false information. Remember when she said that any gunbuster sign was sufficient notice? I think someone on here is who contacted her and relayed that stunning opinion.
Again depending on my memory (and perhaps unreliable info), but I seem to recall that that "lawyer" was no longer with the CHL department.
Definite improvement if true. I wonder if she left on her own.
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Like many here, my CHL class experience left something to be desired. Not that it was unexpected, I've been to many seminars/classes and as such, I came with low expectations and a single goal, to get my CHL license. That was achieved and I figured that I could pick up the slack. I downloaded and read the entire law concerning CHL, which helped. But, the most valuable resource that I've found so far has been this website. So, thanks to everyone here who make a honest effort to assist or educate.
That is my goal this year is to attend Mr. Cotton's class.
