Signficance of the Tueller Drill

[Hoppes]

I note that the Police Review Board states that "Bates was too far away from Brown to pose an imediate threat." What I do not know is if that means 21 feet or 28 feet.

From the post above:

"Police investigators concluded Brown was 35 to 40 feet from Bates. Brown claimed he was closer. "

So it looks like they felt he was outside 21-28 ft when he fired. Of course we have no idea who is right, but at least one claim is 35-40 ft.

Then this might be a case where the Tueller Drill shafted a police officer. As good as it can be for some defenses, it shows me that it can also be a liability for LEO and possibly civilians defending themselves.

Hoppes

[Hoppes]

Employers can do anything they like I guess.

Oh... that is another issue entirely.

Hoppes

[srothstein]

I wonder why this is a federal case.

Civil rights.

Alleged unlawful use of force by police is often made into a federal civil rights violation.

- Jim

Jim got it right except when he said often. It is always a federal case and may be a state case also. SCOTUS looks at excessive force cases under the 4th amendment and the citizen protection against unreasonable search and seizure. Using force is a seizure of the person.

[seamusTX]

Jim got it right except when he said often. It is always a federal case ...

Well, not every alleged excessive use of force by police officers results in a federal case being filed.

- Jim

[lrb111]

Here's a video on Youtube, about gainng distance and maybe a little more edge in Tueller type situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xINrzuves3Q

Don't let the way the guy talks with his hands put you off, he stops that pretty much after the first minute and half intro.