1 (one) MOA AK-47 ?!

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1 (one) MOA AK-47 ?!

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Ok,

Is this just a coincidence or is it just physics? Every time I go to shoot my Norinco MAK-90, the first shot is a bull's eye directly in the center of the target. However, follow-up shots are never as accurate. At 100 yards, it's usually a 6-7 inch group at the end of the day. This is with iron sights.

Does the grouping open up due to the barrel's heating up and metal getting softer and whippier? So, the first shot is always spot on in the middle of the 1 inch bull's eye? Do you experience this too? Or is it just a coinicidence?

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Have you tried to let it cool between shots? Or clean the barrel?

A lot of guns will go to larger groups as the barrel gets up. I don't usually see that after one shot.
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I am not a great marksman, but I have seen that my first shot is usually my best in a series. I think it has something to do with not expecting the recoil as much, but after that first shot you're expecting it on follow up shots and there is some subconscious preaction as a result causing followup shots to be not as accurate. I remember watching a training video on this very thing and how to train to get rid of that little flinch on follow up shots.
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AK is not a sniper rifle and never was intended to be. Case closed.
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C-dub wrote:I am not a great marksman, but I have seen that my first shot is usually my best in a series. I think it has something to do with not expecting the recoil as much, but after that first shot you're expecting it on follow up shots and there is some subconscious preaction as a result causing followup shots to be not as accurate. I remember watching a training video on this very thing and how to train to get rid of that little flinch on follow up shots.
I think you're right. What is that training video you mentioned? I'm very interested.

Also, I've found that the groups are a lot tighter if I weigh my ammo with a digital scale and shoot groups with ammo that weight exactly the same. If I sort the ammo before I shoot it, the groups are a lot tighter.

Also, eye fatigue on old eyes may come into play with subsequent shots, too.

In addition, when shooting with iron sights, you need to carefully select your target. After much experimentation, I've found that a white 6 inch circle in the middle of an 8 1/2x11 inch piece of red paper works best. You can easily contrast the black iron sights on the white circular target. Red is the color most easily visible to the naked human eye.

In addition, I've noticed that my first shot always takes the longest to set up. It may take several minutes of breathing, relaxing, and concentrating just to make the one first shot. However, subsequent follow-up shots are once very one or two seconds in a string of shots.

Maybe, if I watch that video of yours, weigh all the ammo and only shoot ammo that weighs the same, and take 2 to 5 minutes to set up every shot (not just the first one), rest with my eyes closed for 5 minutes between shots, then it might be possible to shoot 1 MOA or 1 inch groups at 100 yards with a cherry picked Norinco Ak-47. I've noticed that after years of shooting different AK-47s, some are more accurate than others, even the exact same rifle from the exact same manufacturer, no two rifles shoot alike. I have one Norinco with a really sloppy jiggly trigger and the parts are a bit jiggly. I have another one with parts that fit together very tightly and the trigger is buttery smooth. The former one cannot shoot as good, but the latter one is the one that always shoots the center of the bulls eye on the first shot, every time. This is with iron sights. I have never used steel cased ammo with the 2nd one. I've always used brass cased ammo with the 2nd AK with the tight fitting parts.

Empahsis: please tell me the name of the video you mentioned. Thanks :tiphat

Edit/Update: Cdub PM'ed me the video. I'll try the drills on the video and practice some more. After I've burned through at least 1000 rounds, I'll test myself to see if it is possible to do 1 MOA / 1 inch groups with an AK-47 (cherry picked MAK-90) that is totally stock with no mods at 100 yards with commercial ammo (not expensive fancy exotic reloads). Then, I 'll report back to this forum my results. Wish me luck! :cheers2:

1000 rounds x 10 minutes = 10,000 minutes
10,000 minutes / 60 minutes = 167 hours
167 hours / 3 hours per range day = 56 days
56 days / 12 range days per year = 4.7 years.

It will take 5 years to perfect this technique of shooting 1 MOA groups with an AK with iron sights. After which I will report back to this forum.
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Also, 5.45 AK's have noticeably less recoil if you want to play with it. I have seen some surplus ammo for sale, but it wasn't as cheap as before.
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