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RubenZ · Post by **RubenZ** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:50 am

I work at University that is part of the UT system. No buildings here have 30.06 signs. I don't have my CHL yet, but I just need to take the class on the 21st.

According to my Work's Handbook of Op Procedures, it says the University is a Weapon-Free zone but makes no mention of 30.06 or CHL. Shouldn't it be required by law that any building that doesn't want CHL people must have a 30.06 sign?

Would it better to contact the Campus PD ?

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:57 am

Government-owned facilities can not legally post 30.06 signs (though some do).

Universities and other schools are off-limits for all weapons. There is endless debate about this, but that's my take.

You can ask the campus police (who are a university police force). I will be very surprised if they say anything other than No.

- Jim

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:12 pm

RubenZ wrote:I work at University that is part of the UT system. No buildings here have 30.06 signs. I don't have my CHL yet, but I just need to take the class on the 21st.

According to my Work's Handbook of Op Procedures, it says the University is a Weapon-Free zone but makes no mention of 30.06 or CHL. Shouldn't it be required by law that any building that doesn't want CHL people must have a 30.06 sign?

Would it better to contact the Campus PD ?

Texas Penal Code
Â§ 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly
possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or
prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or
educational institution, any grounds or building on which an
activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being
conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or
educational institution, whether the school or educational
institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
regulations or written authorization of the institution;

(c) In this section:
(1) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section
46.035.

Â§ 46.035.
(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a
building. The term does not include any public or private driveway,
street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other
parking area.

RubenZ · Post by **RubenZ** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:25 pm

Man that sucks. So say I'm off to a UT football game since its a school sponsored event I couldn't Cary? Or if I went to a High School Game? That sucks because walking late at night from the stadiums is one place I'd really feel more comfortable packing.

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:42 pm

That is correct. You cannot carry at any school-sponsored event regardless of location.

- Jim

trdvet · Post by **trdvet** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:57 pm

I work for UTPD, and the answer has already been said by txinvestigator.
What institution are you talking about? You would either A) get fired

or B) get fired and arrested

para driver · Post by **para driver** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:16 pm

trdvet wrote:I work for UTPD, and the answer has already been said by txinvestigator.
What institution are you talking about? You would either A) get fired or B) get fired and arrested

Take the 5th on that question.. for obvious reasons..

trdvet · Post by **trdvet** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:08 pm

I have discretion in my job and I use it as I see fit. I know people that work at all the institutions who are reasonable like I am. We had one person got caught here but we had them put it up in their truck. People make mistakes or just plain forget, no reason to give the person a felony.

para driver · Post by **para driver** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:00 pm

trdvet wrote: I have discretion in my job and I use it as I see fit. I know people that work at all the institutions who are reasonable like I am. We had one person got caught here but we had them put it up in their truck. People make mistakes or just plain forget, no reason to give the person a felony.

I wouldn't play the percentages on running into you, vs. someone of a different mindset.

trdvet · Post by **trdvet** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:05 pm

JLaw · Post by **JLaw** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:14 pm

A good option in this case would be OC spray, unless there is a law that I'm now aware of concerning OC spray??

Also not sure about the legality of having a pocket knife in your possession in the given example, but I'd be interested to hear the responses.

JLaw

JLaw · Post by **JLaw** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:23 pm

txinvestigator wrote:
Texas Penal Code
Â§ 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly
possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or
prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or
educational institution, any grounds or building on which an
activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being
conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or
educational institution, whether the school or educational
institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
regulations or written authorization of the institution;

(c) In this section:
(1) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section
46.035.

Â§ 46.035.
(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a
building. The term does not include any public or private driveway,
street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other
parking area.
Maybe the answer to carrying a LEGAL pocket knife is yes. At least I think so after reading the definition of an illegal knife:

Â§ 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(6) "Illegal knife" means a:
(A) knife with a blade over five and one-half
inches;
(B) hand instrument designed to cut or stab
another by being thrown;
(C) dagger, including but not limited to a dirk,
stilletto, and poniard;
(D) bowie knife;
(E) sword; or
(F) spear.
(7) "Knife" means any bladed hand instrument that is
capable of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by cutting or
stabbing a person with the instrument.

But I am not a lawyer and do not know the penal code as well as they, so maybe someone will come along shortly and correct me if I'm wrong.

JLaw

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:37 pm

RubenZ wrote:Man that stinks. So say I'm off to a UT football game since its a school sponsored event I couldn't Cary? Or if I went to a High School Game? That stinks because walking late at night from the stadiums is one place I'd really feel more comfortable packing.

Texas Penal Code
Â§ 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER. (b) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the
license holder's person:
(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate,
or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking
place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a
handgun is used in the event;

pbandjelly · Post by **pbandjelly** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:55 pm

yeah, carry a knife, but go see Flint K Napper first.
and O.C. like an O.G.

LedJedi · Post by **LedJedi** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:13 pm

I carry OC/CS blend with UV dye on a keychain and I work at UT. (that's kind of a tongue twister) They usually call it a 3-in-1 punch or something like that.

I advice the OC/CS blend over just straight OC. I've seen full grown men take OC to the face and laugh about it. In my mind you stand better odds if you use a mix. One of the two is bound to affect the person. I'm sure others are bound to chime in on that.

the dye is nice if you have to identify the person later.

I think i bought the canister I carry for $12 at a sporting good store. Also good to have for dogs or the cat your wife won't let you get rid of :)

don't use it on the wife though... that's another story :)

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