Unwanted scrutiny after getting a tax stamp for SBR?

[K.Mooneyham]

I got done reading another thread where the NFA and GCA were being discussed and it made me think of something. As most of you know, a rather firearms unfriendly bunch runs the Justice Department ,which includes the BATFE, right now. A tax stamp must be acquired prior to buying or building an SBR, that I fully understand. I don't own anything that would fit that category and have made sure that everything I've bought couldn't be construed as such. It seems like it would be "cool" to own one for a "range toy", but I sure wouldn't want to draw unwanted attention to myself from a group that doesn't really like citizens owning firearms in the first place. However, once you have one, you are on a list with the BATFE, correct? Wouldn't that automatically put you at greater scrutiny, like waving and yelling "Hey, BATFE, look at me"? Please don't slam me for being a "tin-foil hatter", but I welcome all serious thoughts/replies.

[Scott B.]

You a gun owner, with a CHL, active on a CHL forum. If there's a list...you're already on it.

Read earlier this year that the NFA branch had a 40k backlog they were working through, so you'll be in good company. Those who pay the tax are on the good list. What you don't want to do is be on the naughty list.

[winters]

Well I own 3 supressors and shoot my 7.62 almost everytime I goto the range. What special list you might be on? On the one im already on because I have TSA Precheck, Global Entry, Passport, CHL, Drivers license, own plenty of firearms and ammo? The ATF isn't going to come busting down your door. Well they might if you go doing something stupid like making an illegal one out of oil filter or mag light flash light like the morons on youtube show you how to do that they call "solvent traps". yea solvent traps my behind..... Buy one legally and you wont have issues. Yes I had one gun range in Houston that made a big deal about it and guess what I don't shoot their anymore. We have a bunch of people from my office stop shooting there because of how I got treated. Mainly because they got into buying supressors after they found out I had them.

[gthaustex]

I got done reading another thread where the NFA and GCA were being discussed and it made me think of something. As most of you know, a rather firearms unfriendly bunch runs the Justice Department ,which includes the BATFE, right now. A tax stamp must be acquired prior to buying or building an SBR, that I fully understand. I don't own anything that would fit that category and have made sure that everything I've bought couldn't be construed as such. It seems like it would be "cool" to own one for a "range toy", but I sure wouldn't want to draw unwanted attention to myself from a group that doesn't really like citizens owning firearms in the first place. However, once you have one, you are on a list with the BATFE, correct? Wouldn't that automatically put you at greater scrutiny, like waving and yelling "Hey, BATFE, look at me"? Please don't slam me for being a "tin-foil hatter", but I welcome all serious thoughts/replies.

I had the same thoughts a while back. Then I realized....

1) I have bought firearms from FFLs. That puts me on a 4473 somewhere. The BATFE can see those if they really wanted to track me down. I suppose I could have tried to make sure I bought from private individuals to obscure the trail somewhat....
2) I have a CHL. That puts me on a list with the State of Texas. I don't know that Texas would just hand that list over to the feds, but it is a list.
3) The number of purchases of NFA items has skyrocketed over the last few years. Believe it or not, BATFE has actually added examiners to handle to backlog of applications. I was shocked to hear that, but it appears to be true. Form 4 approvals for trusts are running 4-6 months right now, which isn't that much slower than when e-file was up and running. Strange as it may seem, the BATFE doesn't seem to be impeding things, if that was what they really wanted to do based on who is currently steering the ship.

[Scott B.]

I'd imagine that the powers that be at ATF are more than happy with the NFA revenue they're pulling in from all those suppressors and SBRs.

In times of budget contraction (real or imagined), that's some serious coin - even for a federal agency.

[Wolverine]

I got done reading another thread where the NFA and GCA were being discussed and it made me think of something. As most of you know, a rather firearms unfriendly bunch runs the Justice Department ,which includes the BATFE, right now. A tax stamp must be acquired prior to buying or building an SBR, that I fully understand. I don't own anything that would fit that category and have made sure that everything I've bought couldn't be construed as such. It seems like it would be "cool" to own one for a "range toy", but I sure wouldn't want to draw unwanted attention to myself from a group that doesn't really like citizens owning firearms in the first place. However, once you have one, you are on a list with the BATFE, correct? Wouldn't that automatically put you at greater scrutiny, like waving and yelling "Hey, BATFE, look at me"? Please don't slam me for being a "tin-foil hatter", but I welcome all serious thoughts/replies.

For some of us, that ship has sailed. I used to be a FFL and have CHL from multiple states. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

[CleverNickname]

I'd imagine that the powers that be at ATF are more than happy with the NFA revenue they're pulling in from all those suppressors and SBRs.

In times of budget contraction (real or imagined), that's some serious coin - even for a federal agency.

NFA taxes go to the Treasury general fund, not to the ATF.

However, the popularity of title II firearms of late has caused a need for more NFA clerks to process everything, and if there's one thing a bureaucrat likes (that's not more money to spend), it's more flunkies to command.

[Scott B.]

You run a program that's bringing in big $$...everybody's happy.

[VMI77]

I share your concerns but I have questioned several people, mostly gun dealers, on the subject, and all of them have told me that they've had no problems and no extra scrutiny. Then again, they sell suppressors, so......OTOH, they all struck me as honest and sincere.

[powerboatr]

You a gun owner, with a CHL, active on a CHL forum. If there's a list...you're already on it.

Read earlier this year that the NFA branch had a 40k backlog they were working through, so you'll be in good company. Those who pay the tax are on the good list. What you don't want to do is be on the naughty list.

and add in if you have purchased powder or reloading supplies...online, your most likely on a list somewheres

[VMI77]

You a gun owner, with a CHL, active on a CHL forum. If there's a list...you're already on it.

Read earlier this year that the NFA branch had a 40k backlog they were working through, so you'll be in good company. Those who pay the tax are on the good list. What you don't want to do is be on the naughty list.

and add in if you have purchased powder or reloading supplies...online, your most likely on a list somewheres

If you've purchased anything for a gun online you're on a list somewhere....scopes, lights, holsters, magazines, targets, laser grips, laser, gun parts, etc..... and depending on what you bought, they may also know the specific gun you bought it for.

[android]

You'll be scrutinized the most for being on the list of people that aren't on any lists.