30.06 at Main Event in Frisco

[swrdply400mrelay]

Anyone know if there is a 30.06 at Main Event in Frisco or if it is considered 51%?


TIA

[Keith B]

It's not a 51% location according to the TABC website. As for 30.06, I have not been to the one there, but the one in Plano is not posted and http://www.texas3006.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; does not have entries for any locations that someone has submitted.

[C-dub]

I have not been to the one in Frisco. All I can say is that the one in Lewisville did not have a 30.06 sign the last time I was there about a year ago.

[lrb6805]

This sign still allows concealed carry right? This is at the main event.

[jmra]

This sign still allows concealed carry right? This is at the main event.

Yes, this is referring to unlicensed carry. You are licensed to carry.

[RoyGBiv]

So, what's the consensus regarding carrying past these signs that Main Event is posting now...???

Clearly the Spanish version doesn't meet the 1" letter height standard, but the English version does...

Letter of the law vs/ spirit?

[Jusme]

So, what's the consensus regarding carrying past these signs that Main Event is posting now...???

Clearly the Spanish version doesn't meet the 1" letter height standard, but the English version does...

Letter of the law vs/ spirit?

My consensus is that they will not be receiving any of my money. The signs, by letter of the law are non-compliant, but their intent is clear, they don't want my business, so I will accommodate them.JMHO

[Redneck_Buddha]

Another business to cross off the list.

[RoyGBiv]

Anyone have any experience or references (news/case law/other) with examples of licensed carriers getting tossed/arrested/other based on similarly non-compliant signs?

Looks to me like this sign is not compliant, but is there any case law yet that supports carrying past this sign (or similar non-compliant sign), getting busted, but getting charges dropped because the sign was not compliant?

Anyone know anyone in a position of authority at Main Event? Would be interesting to know whether they believe this sign doesn't meet the letter of the law and whether/not they intended it that way?

If I didn't hesitate to carry past an outdated 30.05 sign, should I hesitate to carry past this sign?

Counter-argument......
Could the law be interpreted to read that since the English version meets the 1" block letter requirement that the sign is compliant? If you want to get specific, the law does NOT say exactly that both English and Spanish need to both be 1" letters, it just says "(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height;". Well, the English letters meet that requirement. Therefore, I could argue, that the whole sign is compliant. No?

Just pondering where the limits of the law are. I don't plan to be a test case. Just wanted to discuss.

(3) "Written communication" means:

(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

[Soccerdad1995]

Here is my take on it.

Main Event is a profitable company that can afford to hire decent lawyers. They have posted obviously non-compliant signs. Therefore, I can only assume that they intend to placate the anti's while letting informed LTC holders know that their business is welcome.

I feel the same way about the signs that Buffalo Wild Wings posts.

[Jusme]

Here is my take on it.

Main Event is a profitable company that can afford to hire decent lawyers. They have posted obviously non-compliant signs. Therefore, I can only assume that they intend to placate the anti's while letting informed LTC holders know that their business is welcome.

I feel the same way about the signs that Buffalo Wild Wings posts.

To me, since I read and understand English, the signs mean they don't want my business, I am not going to risk the ride because the Spanish portion is non-compliant. If they wanted LTC holders to know their business is "welcome" there would be no signs, or at most a 30.07 sign. They will not be receiving any of my disposable income, not that I have much of that, but the signs also give the go ahead to any English speaking ne'er do wells who would view it as a soft target.JMHO

[Soccerdad1995]

Here is my take on it.

Main Event is a profitable company that can afford to hire decent lawyers. They have posted obviously non-compliant signs. Therefore, I can only assume that they intend to placate the anti's while letting informed LTC holders know that their business is welcome.

I feel the same way about the signs that Buffalo Wild Wings posts.

To me, since I read and understand English, the signs mean they don't want my business, I am not going to risk the ride because the Spanish portion is non-compliant. If they wanted LTC holders to know their business is "welcome" there would be no signs, or at most a 30.07 sign. They will not be receiving any of my disposable income, not that I have much of that, but the signs also give the go ahead to any English speaking ne'er do wells who would view it as a soft target.JMHO

Consider this. You own a business and you know that a not insignificant percentage of your customers are more likely to visit if you have some kind of sign indicating that guns are not allowed (the MDA crowd). These folks, in general, do not fully understand the finer points of signage requirements under Texas law. Any sign reasonably close to looking like a valid sign will placate them.

You also know that a not insignificant percentage of your customers are more likely to visit if you do not prohibit LTC holders from legally carrying guns in your business. These folks, in general, do have a decent understanding of the finer points of signage requirements.

You could alienate one of these two groups and lose some business. Or you could placate the one group (MDA) while subtly letting the other group know that their business is welcome.

I agree that criminals would still get the impression that this is a soft target. There is not much you can do about that without alienating the MDA types by posting a "lawful gun owners welcome" type of sign.

That said, I do tend to avoid places that post any signs restricting our RKBA, but if forced to go to such places, I will carry unless there is a valid 30.06 sign in place.

[Jusme]

Here is my take on it.

Main Event is a profitable company that can afford to hire decent lawyers. They have posted obviously non-compliant signs. Therefore, I can only assume that they intend to placate the anti's while letting informed LTC holders know that their business is welcome.

I feel the same way about the signs that Buffalo Wild Wings posts.

To me, since I read and understand English, the signs mean they don't want my business, I am not going to risk the ride because the Spanish portion is non-compliant. If they wanted LTC holders to know their business is "welcome" there would be no signs, or at most a 30.07 sign. They will not be receiving any of my disposable income, not that I have much of that, but the signs also give the go ahead to any English speaking ne'er do wells who would view it as a soft target.JMHO

Consider this. You own a business and you know that a not insignificant percentage of your customers are more likely to visit if you have some kind of sign indicating that guns are not allowed (the MDA crowd). These folks, in general, do not fully understand the finer points of signage requirements under Texas law. Any sign reasonably close to looking like a valid sign will placate them.

You also know that a not insignificant percentage of your customers are more likely to visit if you do not prohibit LTC holders from legally carrying guns in your business. These folks, in general, do have a decent understanding of the finer points of signage requirements.

You could alienate one of these two groups and lose some business. Or you could placate the one group (MDA) while subtly letting the other group know that their business is welcome.

I agree that criminals would still get the impression that this is a soft target. There is not much you can do about that without alienating the MDA types by posting a "lawful gun owners welcome" type of sign.

That said, I do tend to avoid places that post any signs restricting our RKBA, but if forced to go to such places, I will carry unless there is a valid 30.06 sign in place.

I think you may be overestimating the MDA influence, especially since OC in Texas has become such a non-event. I don't know who owns Main Event, but I would venture to guess that it's major partners are based on either the East or West coast where left wing biases are rampant. I would not be surprised to learn that these signs were a corporate decision and that they mis-read the compliance regulations for the signs. MDA's message to businesses has begun to fall on deaf ears as indicated by the removal of a lot of signs, as well as new businesses not posting. It's your decision, I have no reason to go to Main Event, and if all of their locations are posted, I won't be able to find one.

[Flightmare]

Main Event corporate HQ is based in Plano, TX.

6652 Pinecrest Drive
Suite 100
Plano, TX 75024

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stock ... Id=6882342

[Jusme]

Main Event corporate HQ is based in Plano, TX.

6652 Pinecrest Drive
Suite 100
Plano, TX 75024

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stock ... Id=6882342

I stand Corrected. I still say that if they want my business, they will have to remove the 30.06 signage even if the Spanish is non compliant.