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I think most or many of us here are dog friendly people and might be able to agree that this would be bad for dog owners.

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Problems with HB 1800: 12 Reasons this Bill is Bad for Texas Dogs and their Owners.

1. Woof! Dog Barks at Fence and Your Dog is Aggressive. If your dog is barking at the fence he could be deemed “aggressive” and be subjected to the same requirements as a dog that was at large and bit someone. Sec. 822.041(1)(B) (“on property where the dog is being kept”)
2. Dog Can be Deemed Aggressive in Your Own Home or Yard. This bill provides that your dog can be deemed “aggressive” while it is contained in your own home or yard. Sec. 822.041(1)(B) (“on property where the dog is being kept”)
3. Animal Control or Police: Your Dog is Aggressive Because I Say So. If the officer “believes” the dog has a dangerous disposition he can be declared aggressive regardless that your dog has never touched a person or an animal and despite that your dog is contained in your home or in your yard.. This provision does not define “aggressive disposition” so it can mean anything a police officer or animal control officer wants it to mean. Sec. 822.041(1)(D)(“law enforcement officer or animal control authority reasonably believes has a dangerous disposition and is likely to be harmful to a person or domestic animal”)
4. Neighbor Can Trigger Your Dog being Deemed Aggressive. Your dog can be deemed “aggressive” based on a neighbor’s complaint. If your neighbor does not like you, this proposed law will empower the neighbor to make your life a nightmare by filing complaints against your dog. Sec. 822.041(1)(B)(“acts that cause a person to reasonably believe that the dog will attack”)
5. Neighbors Complaint can be Based on What he Thinks Your Dog Might Do. All your neighbor has to do is complain that he thinks your dog might cause serious injury to him or a “domestic animal.” Sec. 822.041(1)(B)(“acts that cause a person to reasonably believe that the dog will attack”)
6. Dogs that Bark at a Stray Cat can be Declared “Aggressive.” So, if you dog barks at a stray cat it can be deemed “aggressive.” This is true even if the cat is roaming at large and antagonizing your dog. Sec. 822.041(1)(B)(“acts that cause a person to reasonably believe that the dog will attack and cause serious bodily injury to that person or a domestic animal”)
7. Guilt by Association: But I Didn’t Even Go Woof! If you have three dogs contained in your yard and one goes woof, then all three can be declared aggressive. Sec. 822.041(1)(E)(“part of a group of two or more dogs and was present”)
8. Dogs Deemed Aggressive in Owners Home/Yard may be Subjected to Same Sanctions as Dangerous Dogs. Dogs deemed “aggressive” despite being in the owner’s home or backyard can be sanctioned as severely as dogs that have gotten out and bitten someone. Sec. 822.0416.
9. Dog Declared Public Nuisance for Getting Out One Time. This bill adds a category for a “public nuisance dog” that would apply to a dog that has gotten out one single time and subject the owner to going to a hearing and other legal implications. Section 822.041(6)(C)(“ has run at large”)
10. Nuisance Law in Conflict with Current Texas Law. This proposed law is contrary to existing Texas law because there is no state leash law. Dogs are legally allowed to be at large in many Texas counties that have not enacted leash laws.
11. Dog Deemed Nuisance for Going After a Stray Cat in his Own Yard. Dogs can be declared to be a nuisance attacking a domestic animal even if a cat comes into the dog’s own yard. Many counties and cities have at large laws that apply to cats, so even if the cat is in violation of the local law, your dog can be declared a nuisance if he goes after a stray cat that wanders into your yard. Section 822.041(6)(B).
12. Fat Dogs on a Sidewalk Can be Deemed a Nuisance. A dog can be declared a nuisance if it “interferes with a person’s freedom of movement in a public right-of-way.” So, if your dog is fat or even just big and you are walking him on a leash on a sidewalk, he can be deemed a nuisance if the neighbor contends the dog interfered with his movement. Section 822.041(6)(A)
Here is the actual text and I do see some problems, but I don't think it's quite as bad as the first article makes it out to be.
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Glad I don't live anywhere near the "public". I have a couple criminal LGD's running around out there somewhere...
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I had to live with a neighbors dogs barking all through the night for several years. Every night. All night long.
Barking at nothing. 100 feet from my bedroom.

I pleaded politely, bought a few "deterrence" gadgets, talked to the HOA, all to no avail.
One night, at 4:AM, with the dogs barking incessantly, I knocked on the door and asked the neighbors to take the dogs inside.
They called me a liar. With the dogs baking in the yard nonstop at that very moment, they called me a liar. :mad5

Finally I had no choice but to get the police involved.

I had to keep a log, left a video camera to record for several overnights, incontrovertible.
Eventually they (the owners) removed one dog from the premises. The other two kept barking.

I moved.

I'm not a particularly light sleeper. Some folks are just inconsiderate.
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A few years ago we had a neighbor that would complain about our dogs to animal control. They would make a visit and find nothing out of the norm. One night my 2 large dogs started raising cain at the back door. I let them out and just as I did, a guy (not the neighbor) jumped the fence into our back yard with a bag full of stolen stuff from our neighbors house. Apparently their gate was locked so they went through ours so they could jump the fence without being seen. Wrong move. At the time we had a 100 lb. Golden Retriever and a 120 lb. Pit Bull mix that didn't like strangers in their yard and were not bashfull about stopping them. While my dogs kept the BG pinned against the fence, I called 911. The neighbors decided to change their minds about our dogs after that.
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RoyGBiv wrote:I had to live with a neighbors dogs barking all through the night for several years. Every night. All night long.
Barking at nothing. 100 feet from my bedroom.

I pleaded politely, bought a few "deterrence" gadgets, talked to the HOA, all to no avail.
One night, at 4:AM, with the dogs barking incessantly, I knocked on the door and asked the neighbors to take the dogs inside.
They called me a liar. With the dogs baking in the yard nonstop at that very moment, they called me a liar. :mad5

Finally I had no choice but to get the police involved.

I had to keep a log, left a video camera to record for several overnights, incontrovertible.
Eventually they (the owners) removed one dog from the premises. The other two kept barking.

I moved.

I'm not a particularly light sleeper. Some folks are just inconsiderate.
That would drive me nuts, but there is a huge difference between inconsiderate neighbors and aggressive dogs.
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Wow, whoever proposed this garbage is an extraordinary dog hater. Anyone with this kind of irrational hatred of dogs is too mentally unstable to hold any office in any government.

As a practical matter this bill amounts to banning dog ownership. Legislation and law making by a lunatic.
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VMI77 wrote:Wow, whoever proposed this garbage is an extraordinary dog hater. Anyone with this kind of irrational hatred of dogs is too mentally unstable to hold any office in any government.

As a practical matter this bill amounts to banning dog ownership. Legislation and law making by a lunatic.
That's what I thought as well.
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As a guy who is almost always attacked while out cycling, you'd think I'd like this bill.

I don't.

This idea is insane.

Another piece of "progressive" nonsense.
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VMI77 wrote:Wow, whoever proposed this garbage is an extraordinary dog hater. Anyone with this kind of irrational hatred of dogs is too mentally unstable to hold any office in any government.

As a practical matter this bill amounts to banning dog ownership. Legislation and law making by a lunatic.
I have to agree. There seems to be no burden of proof required.

The second link just says the bill was introduced. I would be surprised if this has any chance of passing.
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wow, both of my overly protective corgi girls are apparently "aggressive".
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There are so many dogs in our neighborhood that I actually had a couple four houses down as me if we had any dogs once. We had been here for 2-3 years at the time and I had 3 GSDs and a mix at the time. I was shocked at the question and yet relieved all at the same time. My dogs bark at any animal they think is too close to their yard. The two noisier ones are gone now and the two GSDs that are still "on duty" might bark at someone they can see in the front through the fence, but have been trained enough and are smart enough to know that if they bark too much they scare the BG away and then they won't come back to "play."

However, if some overzealous animal control person or anyone hung around near my yard long enough to determine if they were barkers the dogs would eventually bark at them. It's a bit of a Catch-22 that I think is a trap to entice the dogs. I wif they deem me to be aggressive if I came out and kept questioning them about why they were lingering around my yard instead of the dogs barking at them.
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Looks like it died in committee :thumbs2:
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E.Marquez wrote:Looks like it died in committee :thumbs2:
GOOD! I hope so. Thanks! :cheers2:
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I was wrong about the Rep who introduced this legislation being a dog hater. The Houston DEMOCRAT who introduced the Bill, Armando Walle, supposedly is a dog owner, so it's turns out he may just be an idiot, not a dog hater.
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