20 or 30 MOA

[Pawpaw]

Pawpaw & TAM, I would enjoy taking both of you up your offers. My club, just outside of Terrell (Pawpaw has been there with me before.) has a 100 and 200 yard area. I would invite both of you to come out together with me or separately or also be happy to go to your ranges with you to shoot. My only problem right now is time. I'm getting ready to start a new job in a little over four weeks and most of my weekends are busy with my daughter's softball teams. Weekdays are more flexible for the next 3 weeks. After that, my schedule gets a little fuller.

That sounds good to me. We just need a day when the rain and your schedule permit.

[C-dub]

Pawpaw & TAM, I would enjoy taking both of you up your offers. My club, just outside of Terrell (Pawpaw has been there with me before.) has a 100 and 200 yard area. I would invite both of you to come out together with me or separately or also be happy to go to your ranges with you to shoot. My only problem right now is time. I'm getting ready to start a new job in a little over four weeks and most of my weekends are busy with my daughter's softball teams. Weekdays are more flexible for the next 3 weeks. After that, my schedule gets a little fuller.

That sounds good to me. We just need a day when the rain and your schedule permit.

If it will ever stop raining. There's at least a 30% chance of rain every day for the next 9 days.

[baldeagle]

Here's a guy who zeros at 25 yards - http://www.fieldandstream.com/answers/g ... -200-yards" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And another - http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/10/the-2 ... ifle-zero/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And 36 to 50 yards - http://www.balloongoesup.com/blog/zero-distance-rifle/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe 100 or longer isn't really the best after all.

[C-dub]

Here's a guy who zeros at 25 yards - http://www.fieldandstream.com/answers/g ... -200-yards" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And another - http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/10/the-2 ... ifle-zero/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And 36 to 50 yards - http://www.balloongoesup.com/blog/zero-distance-rifle/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe 100 or longer isn't really the best after all.

Some interesting stuff there. Thanks Baldeagle.

[Pawpaw]

Pawpaw & TAM, I would enjoy taking both of you up your offers. My club, just outside of Terrell (Pawpaw has been there with me before.) has a 100 and 200 yard area. I would invite both of you to come out together with me or separately or also be happy to go to your ranges with you to shoot. My only problem right now is time. I'm getting ready to start a new job in a little over four weeks and most of my weekends are busy with my daughter's softball teams. Weekdays are more flexible for the next 3 weeks. After that, my schedule gets a little fuller.

That sounds good to me. We just need a day when the rain and your schedule permit.

If it will ever stop raining. There's at least a 30% chance of rain every day for the next 9 days.

Tell me about it. I still need to do some ammo testing with my rifle and today looked like the weather would cooperate.

Instead, I spent the afternoon driving my daughter to an orthopedic surgeon's appointment in Southlake from our home near Greenville. That only took 6 hours.

I have a pile of .308 ammo that may turn green before I get the chance to shoot it.

[The Annoyed Man]

Here's a guy who zeros at 25 yards - http://www.fieldandstream.com/answers/g ... -200-yards" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And another - http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/10/the-2 ... ifle-zero/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And 36 to 50 yards - http://www.balloongoesup.com/blog/zero-distance-rifle/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe 100 or longer isn't really the best after all.

Some interesting stuff there. Thanks Baldeagle.

There are lots of zeroing variations like that.

[AJSully421]

Moving on to the next phase. Now, I wish I had begun this thread differently.

I picked up a Pelican 1750 long case this morning at Academy. I know what the consensus on Academy clerk's opinions are of various firearms and laws and I also got one regarding whether or not to cut out the foam. With the scope attached and the protruding knobs, I think it would fit better with it cut out. However, I wish the middle piece of foam were two thin layers instead of one think one. The clerk's opinion was that it should not be cut out to give a tighter, more secure fit.

I only have two other rifle cases and they both have egg crate foam that is not intended to be cut out. I'd like to see what sort of experiences ya'll have. Have any of you cut out the foam only to have regrets?

I have two 1750 cases. One is tan and is cut out for my 16" .308 Sig 716 (Also fits my 5.56 16" as well) . Used an electric knife, marked out what I wanted on the back side of the foam. Doesn't look perfect, but it holds my rifle just fine. I cut out a small bit in the bottom layer foam for the side turret and for the Dueck side sights.

The other case, I cut the center out of the middle foam layer only and left about 2" all the way around and used double side tape to attach the foam to the sides of the case. I can put two long guns in it and the edges are protected. This setup is good enough for things like shotguns and ARs with "combat optics" that can deal with some rough handling. I have yet to fly with a long gun.

I have an electric 2-bladed serrated knife. I thought about doing it with a really sharp fillet knife that I also have. Either way, did you cut any of the cut out pieces in half horizontally and put the bottom back in the case? I've been thinking about that for some spots. I'm not expecting perfection from this, but don't want to butcher it up too bad. I've got a steady enough hand that I think I'll be okay. I've also read that for anyone that does this, to trace and cut maybe a quarter of an inch inside the trace for a snug fit. Is there anything to that? What's your experience?

I decided how I wanted everything laid out, then turned it all around "backwards" and traced it close on the back side of the foam. I did this with my .308, and then made variations where necessary for my 5.56. I traced it tight, and did not cut in any amount. I don't mind some play in the cut, if you do, then go for it.

I did not cut anything horizontally to make it thinner, I took a tool knife and cut basically a round "cone" out of the foam for the scope turret and a four sided square pyramid shape for my 45* side sights to rest in. That worked well enough for me.

I toss these things in and out from my gun room to the bed of my truck and back... it is not like I am doing paradrops out of a C-130 over hostile enemy territory. I mainly got the Pelicans for their waterproof features. I started taking the kids to the ranch, and could not stack the rifle cases in the back seat of the truck and have the kids in their car seats at the same time... so the guns had to go in the bed.

[C-dub]

I decided how I wanted everything laid out, then turned it all around "backwards" and traced it close on the back side of the foam.

I've read about this being done in other places, but never seen it explained. Why did you do it this way? Is it so the trace marks will be on the bottom and not visible when completed?

[AJSully421]

I decided how I wanted everything laid out, then turned it all around "backwards" and traced it close on the back side of the foam.

I've read about this being done in other places, but never seen it explained. Why did you do it this way? Is it so the trace marks will be on the bottom and not visible when completed?

Bingo. There are other ways, like trace with the marker tilted inward and cut on the very outside of the line, or just do a tiny "bevel" type trim around the edge to get rid of the line. I used silver sharpie in my case. Turning it upside down just makes the whole thing easier.

[C-dub]

All right, the patient/foam has been prepped and is about to go under the knife. I hope the patient survives.

[C-dub]

The patient has survived and is in good condition. There was only one extra minor incision along the length of the barrel. It is still attached to the rest of the foam remaining in the case, so I may try and put a few drops of glue in there to reattach it. Otherwise, I'm happy. Now to decide whether or not to cut other spaces for thins like the shade cylinder. I think I will, but leave things like magazines out until I get a bipod and cut additional foam out for it when attached or not.

EDIT: Also, how many of ya'll glue the foam with cutout down to the lower piece to keep it from lifting out whenever you pull stuff out of the case?

[C-dub]

I got it all out today. A warm, very humid day, but still fun.

I was probably anywhere from 3-4 or maybe even as high as 5 MOA, but happy overall. I do have some work/practice to do. The ammo wasn't the greatest, but I'm sure can do better than I did with it today. I think I was too tense and gripping the rifle too tightly.

Still no bipod yet. The stock has a way to mount a small monopod. Might try something on there. Was only able to rest the fore end on a couple of small Walmart Winchester sandbags. I'm sure I could do better with better support for the rifle. (Duh!) But I do want to learn to shoot better with it.

[winters]

glad to see others enjoy the 6x24 vortex scope. i have 2 for my rifles are they seem to work pretty good. one is on my sig 716 and remington 300 both in 308.i really like the ffp feature for the price.

[Pawpaw]

C-dub, did you get the Switchview throw lever? I'm telling you, you will not ever regret spending the money on it. They should include it with the scope.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHrflT6BgVU[/video]

[C-dub]

C-dub, did you get the Switchview throw lever? I'm telling you, you will not ever regret spending the money on it. They should include it with the scope.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHrflT6BgVU[/video]

I haven't yet, but I do have it bookmarked.