Carrying at work

[BrassMonkey]

So our company policy is no weapons at work unless you are Public Safety. I would imagine a written authorization would supercede that. What would the best way to approach our CIO be? Any suggestions?

[seamusTX]

I wouldn't do it, because I've read enough harrowing stories about people who tried.

But, if you must, my suggestion is to e-mail the appropriate person, if your company uses e-mail, or write a memo otherwise, something like this:

What is the procedure for a holder of a Texas Concealed Handgun License to obtain permission to carry a concealed handgun on company property?

That way, you aren't actually asking for permission yet, nor saying whether or not you have a CHL. This memo will probably trigger an internal discussion of whether they have a procedure and how to respond to you.

- Jim

[stevie_d_64]

Brass...

Go PM RPBrown...

He read his new companies policy, and it basically stated you'd need written permission from the CEO...

He went, He saw, He conquered...

Read your company policy real close and see if there is a provision that allows you to do so with written permission...Then get the approach vectors and angles from RP...

He will not steer you wrong...

Thats my recommendation...

[BrassMonkey]

Thanks fellas... Our weapons policy is clear, no weapons unless you work for Public Safety as as Police Officer. I am weighing on whether to even ask, cause I need the job. But I work in the middle of downtown and I chase homeless guys away from our women employees every morning...

[Photoman]

Thanks fellas... Our weapons policy is clear, no weapons unless you work for Public Safety as as Police Officer. I am weighing on whether to even ask, cause I need the job. But I work in the middle of downtown and I chase homeless guys away from our women employees every morning...

1. Sounds like the policy is clear enough. You have been given written notice.

2. If you are contemplating breaking the law (written notice given; carry anyway), don't discuss it here!

3. Have the women (or you) notified management of this potential liability?

4. Be VERY reluctant to involve yourself in others defense when carrying a gun.

[T3hK1w1]

A good can of OC or some other spray might be a better idea in this situation, especially if you may be needing to defend others. That said, watch your aim!

[KBCraig]

Thanks fellas... Our weapons policy is clear, no weapons unless you work for Public Safety as as Police Officer. I am weighing on whether to even ask, cause I need the job. But I work in the middle of downtown and I chase homeless guys away from our women employees every morning...

1. Sounds like the policy is clear enough. You have been given written notice.

2. If you are contemplating breaking the law (written notice given; carry anyway), don't discuss it here!

BrassMonkey has not described anything that approaches "legal notice" as far as 30.06 is concerned. Carrying despite company policy might be a firing offense, but it's not a criminal offense.

To be effective notice under 30.06, all written notices must include the exact 30.06 language.

Kevin

[LM23]

I have somewhat of an opposite issue. I am the owner, I carry all the time (protection of premises) always totally concealed because I am aware of a few customers who are serious anti-gun types and I just do not want to get into "that" with them. Also, only inside the building, waiting on license and then it will be different.

My business is in a location where we get beggars, stealers and so forth. I have a new hire who, while having to repair a machine saw that I was carrying. Freak out time, now all of a sudden I am being questioned about workplace safety, etc. In the employee manual I have a specific section that allows for employees to carry with "proper licensing and documentation". This person signed the manual stating that they read and understood and so forth all contents of such.

This is a tough one, the person is a good worker and knows the job. But I do not want any problems. Any one ever have this situation?

[hi-power]

Freak out time, now all of a sudden I am being questioned about workplace safety, etc. In the employee manual I have a specific section that allows for employees to carry with "proper licensing and documentation". This person signed the manual stating that they read and understood and so forth all contents of such.

This is a tough one, the person is a good worker and knows the job. But I do not want any problems. Any one ever have this situation?

Sounds like the new hire needs an education in personal defense. I'd suggest investing some time at the range so he/she can see that guns are not just for committing felonies. There is no need to freak out at the glimpse of a handgun on someone's hip.

[LedJedi]

I would suggest amending the suggested statement as follows:

What is the procedure for a legally licensed civilian who is not a peace officer to obtain written permission to carry a lawfully concealed weapon for self defense while on the premises?

It would be best to avoid the use of the word "gun" as that that generally sends folks into a panic if they're not one of "us". I would also avoid the use of "weapon" and "company" on the same sentence and emphasize that it's for defensive use. That should be obvious, but you never know.

You might also include something like. "I am aware of the company policy regarding peace officers, but would like clarification on legally licensed civilians."

In either case, be prepared for a strong response.

[Rex B]

I think you have to decide what you would do if you got the wrong answer.
Are you prepared to carry against company policy?
If you asked for written permission and were denied, would you not carry?

If the latter is unacceptable to you, you have to ask yourself if your risk of not carrying exceeds your need for this job.

Our company policy is pretty mildly worded.
I'd probably get by fine if I had to leave.
I've made my own choice accordingly

[BrassMonkey]

If I asked permission and was denied, I would not carry. Carrying would not be very good faith in that circumstance.

I think you have to decide what you would do if you got the wrong answer.
Are you prepared to carry against company policy?
If you asked for written permission and were denied, would you not carry?

If the latter is unacceptable to you, you have to ask yourself if your risk of not carrying exceeds your need for this job.

Our company policy is pretty mildly worded.
I'd probably get by fine if I had to leave.
I've made my own choice accordingly

[Right2Carry]

I have somewhat of an opposite issue. I am the owner, I carry all the time (protection of premises) always totally concealed because I am aware of a few customers who are serious anti-gun types and I just do not want to get into "that" with them. Also, only inside the building, waiting on license and then it will be different.

My business is in a location where we get beggars, stealers and so forth. I have a new hire who, while having to repair a machine saw that I was carrying. Freak out time, now all of a sudden I am being questioned about workplace safety, etc. In the employee manual I have a specific section that allows for employees to carry with "proper licensing and documentation". This person signed the manual stating that they read and understood and so forth all contents of such.

This is a tough one, the person is a good worker and knows the job. But I do not want any problems. Any one ever have this situation?

I don't see what the problem is. Employee doesn't like it that the owner is carrying he is always free to find employment elsewhere.

[RPBrown]

I think you have to decide what you would do if you got the wrong answer.
Are you prepared to carry against company policy?
If you asked for written permission and were denied, would you not carry?

If the latter is unacceptable to you, you have to ask yourself if your risk of not carrying exceeds your need for this job.

Our company policy is pretty mildly worded.
I'd probably get by fine if I had to leave.
I've made my own choice accordingly

Just went through this very thing this week. As noted in a previous thread, I really didn't have anything to lose. I would not have carried had I been turned down but would have continued looking for another place of employment.

As it is, all turned out okay for me.

[Lumberjack98]

Freak out time, now all of a sudden I am being questioned about workplace safety, etc. In the employee manual I have a specific section that allows for employees to carry with "proper licensing and documentation". This person signed the manual stating that they read and understood and so forth all contents of such.

This is a tough one, the person is a good worker and knows the job. But I do not want any problems. Any one ever have this situation?

Sounds like the new hire needs an education in personal defense. I'd suggest investing some time at the range so he/she can see that guns are not just for committing felonies. There is no need to freak out at the glimpse of a handgun on someone's hip.

Good advice from hi-power. You may also have a discussion on why you carry and why you believe that it is important. If you don't come off as a gun nut to them, they may have a better understanding. Bottom line is if this person is worth keeping, invest some time in them.