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I want to say I heard on the TV last night this fellow is illegal. Last year I think this happened the same, expect the BG had a hidden gun on him. I think the HPD officers first name was Rodney. So sad. Jail is too good for this scum

I would almost bet that the thug was a repeat offender not to long released from the "basic training for scum" prisons that we have around here

Unfortunately these thug scumballs are getting trained to defeat handcuffs, resist getting handcuffed, disarming a police officer...its sickening

They aren't rehabilitated..they are trained to be more efficient criminals when they get out

Our LEO are already out Gunned, now they are being out manned and out trained by public enemy #scum

lawrnk wrote:I want to say I heard on the TV last night this fellow is illegal. Last year I think this happened the same, expect the BG had a hidden gun on him. I think the HPD officers first name was Rodney. So sad. Jail is too good for this scum

According to the Chronicle, http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hea ... 90226.html he is a U.S. Citizen with a criminal record. If he was illegal, there would have been no mention of his citizenship from the Chronicle.

By Eric JamesHOUSTON (KTRK)
-- Harris County authorities are releasing more details about the shooting of a precinct 6 deputy constable....... "We believe that because he was real limber and real slim that he was very easy for him to put his arms under his legs and come out to the front," said Constable Trevino. "We also believe that this is the time our deputy saw some motion in the back of the patrol car and decided to investigate that. When he opened the door, the deputy had two guns, one in his holster and one inside his waist. We believe the suspect went for the gun in his waist and that's when the struggle occurred and shots were fired."
(Copyright ©2008 KTRK-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)

From original reports, they said that he had the suspect's gun on the roof of his vehicle. So was this a back up gun that he had tucked in his waistband? Was this gun carried in an IWB holster or Mexican style? Most the reports that I am seeing, says that there was only one holster.
Isn't that crazy to have a backup gun visible on a gun belt. Isn't that asking for trouble when it comes to a gun grab? How can you defend it, especially with multiple suspects.

Maybe he had a shotgun or something on top of the vehicle. It wouldn't be the first time the news got the facts crossed. Sticking a detainees firearms in your waist band is not all that uncommon. I never did it, although I have seen it done. I agree to the law enforcement in this country being way out manned.

Also I agree to the jail house training because I had to watch videos about it once. They weren't so much as teaching these guys to fight at this one prison as they were showing them exactly how to resist arrest. Most of the video they had one prisoner up against a wall, or down on his knees with his hands behind his back etc. Another would approach playing the roll of the cop and get attacked.

I had a mechanics of arrest instructor tell us one time to watch for people who can get their hands in front of them while handcuffed. He said he was in the Harris County jail one night and this young asian kid was being escorted by a jailer. The kid was handcuffed and the jailer had his hand on the kids shoulder. He said the guy bascially "jumped" out of his cuffs in mid stride and then knocked the jailer over and started running! He didn't know the guy who told me the story was as trained and good with his hands as he was and went to attack him too. He got thrown on the wall and my instructor started hitting the guy in the head to try to get him back under control. The guy wouldn't give in and said to "Quit hitting him!" Being the obliging guy that he was he then proceeded to kneeing him in the chest until he finally subdued and got on the ground.

gregthehand wrote:I had a mechanics of arrest instructor tell us one time to watch for people who can get their hands in front of them while handcuffed.

I think the LE community needs to to look at different methods of securing a prisoner. I just saw that Constable Trevino is saying now that they are reviewing their handcuffing policy after this shooting.
I was watching some training videos this week that the Chinese Police use to secure a prisoner. A piece of stick and some thin twine, that's it. It was alternative methods, but grant you, I don't think anyone could escape it. You know they have been studying this stuff since the Ming Dynasty. (Part of my shoalin training )
In light of all those shootings from suspects in the back of the patrol car (there was another in a different state in the last few days also), I think that the LE Departments should do something as simple as: 1. installing some hook on the rear deck by rear windshield. 2. Using nylon strap with a "looped eye" and after handcuffing a suspect, they should then seat them in the car. 3. Loop the strap around the chain part of the handcuff, pull it tight and then secure it to the hook on the rear deck.
The suspect should not then be able to do any acrobatic tricks to get out it , without ripping out the entire rear deck.

Trademark and Copyrighted. 1/29/08. I'm calling them Crim-Hooks.

They already use tethers on the feet of suspects that like to run, so should be much of a new deal.

I suggest zip ties around suspects man parts, then zip tie that one to the cuffs. Then, they could have a new falsetto for the jail choir also. I have very little sympathy for criminals in general, much less those who shoot police officers. My brother's had one person get their hands in front of them while cuffed too. They were wearing a belt, so he cuffed his other pair to their belt, and then to the cuffs on the arrestee.

Any update on how the officer is doing?

Lucky45 wrote:Isn't that crazy to have a backup gun visible on a gun belt. Isn't that asking for trouble when it comes to a gun grab? How can you defend it, especially with multiple suspects.

I'm not sure if off-duty LE working as security is subject to the same regs, but a security officer is not allowed to conceal any weapon; any backup carried must be worn in plain view.

Lucky45 wrote:[Using nylon strap with a "looped eye" and after handcuffing a suspect, they should then seat them in the car. 3. Loop the strap around the chain part of the handcuff, pull it tight and then secure it to the hook on the rear deck.
The suspect should not then be able to do any acrobatic tricks to get out it , without ripping out the entire rear deck.

Trademark and Copyrighted. 1/29/08. I'm calling them Crim-Hooks.

They already use tethers on the feet of suspects that like to run, so should be much of a new deal.

The Texas prison system tried this long ago. The problem came when limbs were removed during traffic accidents. Something about it being cruel and unusual.

Prayers sent for the injured officer and his family.

Jason

jbirds1210 wrote:The Texas prison system tried this long ago. The problem came when limbs were removed during traffic accidents. Something about it being cruel and unusual.
Jason

Thanks for the technical input. We could just use the full chinese method of just wrapping the tether strap around their neck, instead of the hooks. They will be in one piece then and not anchor to anything but themselves. ALso they wouldn't be able to get out, period. Of course there will be padding provided to cushion the neck area, so that it will not be cruel and unusual.
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Just a quick update: Cpl. Thielepape underwent another surgery this afternoon. Additional surgeries were postponed Monday because Thielepape's vital signs were too weak. Doctors decided one needed procedure could be performed this afternoon. The officer survived the operation, but remains in critical condition.

You can just do what I used to to do and buckle them in the seat belt. That way at least you will hear the click and give yourself some time to pull away. Also if they are really bad boys you can use a hobble strap. It's nothing more than a nylon belt with a buckle. You wrap it around their legs and through the buckle. Then while it's around their calves you take the excess and lay it across the open door sill of the car and tie a knot close to the sill of the door. Than just close the door. That way they can't kick and if they try to swing their cuffs in front the strap, being caught in the door, will stop them. Cheap and effective. You even pick the straps up in the camping section of Academy for under $5.

Skiprr wrote:Just a quick update: Cpl. Thielepape underwent another surgery this afternoon. Additional surgeries were postponed Monday because Thielepape's vital signs were too weak. Doctors decided one needed procedure could be performed this afternoon. The officer survived the operation, but remains in critical condition.

Continued prayers for Cpl Thielepape for his rapid and complete recovery.

jbirds1210 wrote: The Texas prison system tried this long ago. The problem came when limbs were removed during traffic accidents. Something about it being cruel and unusual.

ain't that a shame...

Sad news: Officer Thielepape died early this morning. He was never able to recover from the wounds he received January 26.

Our prayers for the fallen Officer and his family.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5555174.html