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KBCraig wrote:

40FIVER wrote:Not only does it have to be intenionally, knowingly or recklessly, it is up to the TABC to determine if the place is 51%. We do not have to guess. I think the 51% establishment is required to post the 51% sign.

But if they don't have the proper sign up, you're still in violation. (Assuming "intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly".)

Intentionally and knowingly are easy. But recklessly is the one that can trip you up. It boils down to, "Would Joe Blow call this place a bar?"

Kevin

Exactly how I feel.

Liberty wrote:

Mithras61 wrote:
I'd still call TABC, though. TABC will make 'em take the sign down, and then they either have to own up & post 30.06 signage or they were misinformed (like me!) and no further signage will would be posted. In either case, CHLers wouldn't be confused about the place any longer.

Why call them. as it stands now you can legally carry in there. Waking them up could encourage them to post a proper 30.06 sign. Everyone loses.

Is it really a loss? Wouldn't you like to know if it's a mistake or if they really are opposed to your 2A rights? I'd rather not support a company or location that wants to take away my rights, so I want to know if they are misinformed or anti-2A.

Mithras61 wrote:
Is it really a loss? Wouldn't you like to know if it's a mistake or if they really are opposed to your 2A rights? I'd rather not support a company or location that wants to take away my rights, so I want to know if they are misinformed or anti-2A.

I see your point, but some of my best friends are anti's. I'm even related to some of them. I don't see where there is anything to be gained by making an issue of it. I generally don't boycott bussinesses just because they have a different point of view than I. Although I am generally more likely to boycott them if they take actions I disagree with. If the proprietor just doesn't doesn't like guns I don't have a problem doing business with him. If he post a 30.06 I wouldn't likely go into the place even if I wasn't packing.

Most antis just don't understand the issues. They won't understand or even notice if they lose some businesss. I am involved in politics and I find although there are times to take a hardline, taking a hardline has a side effect of hardening the opposition. I suspect if the propriator really is an anti, that there will be no converting him. Taking our bussiness elswhere will really have a negligable effect on his bottom line. His posting a 30.06 sign will not only cost us another place we can carry and do bussiness in, but will also demonstrate to other antis "how to do it right". Most antis have never seen a proper 30.06 sign. I just as soon the antis keep putting up the gun buster signs, while the more knowledgeble CHLers can carry whereever we wish.

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Liberty wrote:

Mithras61 wrote:
Is it really a loss? Wouldn't you like to know if it's a mistake or if they really are opposed to your 2A rights? I'd rather not support a company or location that wants to take away my rights, so I want to know if they are misinformed or anti-2A.

I see your point, but some of my best friends are anti's. I'm even related to some of them. I don't see where there is anything to be gained by making an issue of it. I generally don't boycott bussinesses just because they have a different point of view than I. Although I am generally more likely to boycott them if they take actions I disagree with. If the proprietor just doesn't doesn't like guns I don't have a problem doing business with him. If he post a 30.06 I wouldn't likely go into the place even if I wasn't packing.

Most antis just don't understand the issues. They won't understand or even notice if they lose some businesss. I am involved in politics and I find although there are times to take a hardline, taking a hardline has a side effect of hardening the opposition. I suspect if the propriator really is an anti, that there will be no converting him. Taking our bussiness elswhere will really have a negligable effect on his bottom line. His posting a 30.06 sign will not only cost us another place we can carry and do bussiness in, but will also demonstrate to other antis "how to do it right". Most antis have never seen a proper 30.06 sign. I just as soon the antis keep putting up the gun buster signs, while the more knowledgeble CHLers can carry whereever we wish.

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With concers to the 30.06 sign I see your point. Telling them their sign is out of code does not make sense

As for the 51% it is a diffferent story. We are not allowed to carry into a place the makes 51% of their income from the sale of served booze, Posted or not. Two completely different issues.

Diode wrote:

Liberty wrote:

Mithras61 wrote:
Is it really a loss? Wouldn't you like to know if it's a mistake or if they really are opposed to your 2A rights? I'd rather not support a company or location that wants to take away my rights, so I want to know if they are misinformed or anti-2A.

I see your point, but some of my best friends are anti's. I'm even related to some of them. I don't see where there is anything to be gained by making an issue of it. I generally don't boycott bussinesses just because they have a different point of view than I. Although I am generally more likely to boycott them if they take actions I disagree with. If the proprietor just doesn't doesn't like guns I don't have a problem doing business with him. If he post a 30.06 I wouldn't likely go into the place even if I wasn't packing.

Most antis just don't understand the issues. They won't understand or even notice if they lose some businesss. I am involved in politics and I find although there are times to take a hardline, taking a hardline has a side effect of hardening the opposition. I suspect if the propriator really is an anti, that there will be no converting him. Taking our bussiness elswhere will really have a negligable effect on his bottom line. His posting a 30.06 sign will not only cost us another place we can carry and do bussiness in, but will also demonstrate to other antis "how to do it right". Most antis have never seen a proper 30.06 sign. I just as soon the antis keep putting up the gun buster signs, while the more knowledgeble CHLers can carry whereever we wish.

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With concers to the 30.06 sign I see your point. Telling them their sign is out of code does not make sense

As for the 51% it is a diffferent story. We are not allowed to carry into a place the makes 51% of their income from the sale of served booze, Posted or not. Two completely different issues.

I don't understand what you mean. I wasn't addressing the issue where alcohal is served in the premises. My comments were soley about a convenience store.
The sign is meaningless in a convenience store.
If a convenience store posts a 51% then we can carry inside.
If we complain to TABC they will be asked to take the sign down.
I suggest that ignorance is bliss. Don't do anything and the convenience store owner is content, us CHLs can carry without fear. everyone is happy.

Liberty wrote:

Diode wrote:

Liberty wrote:

Mithras61 wrote:
Is it really a loss? Wouldn't you like to know if it's a mistake or if they really are opposed to your 2A rights? I'd rather not support a company or location that wants to take away my rights, so I want to know if they are misinformed or anti-2A.

I see your point, but some of my best friends are anti's. I'm even related to some of them. I don't see where there is anything to be gained by making an issue of it. I generally don't boycott bussinesses just because they have a different point of view than I. Although I am generally more likely to boycott them if they take actions I disagree with. If the proprietor just doesn't doesn't like guns I don't have a problem doing business with him. If he post a 30.06 I wouldn't likely go into the place even if I wasn't packing.

Most antis just don't understand the issues. They won't understand or even notice if they lose some businesss. I am involved in politics and I find although there are times to take a hardline, taking a hardline has a side effect of hardening the opposition. I suspect if the propriator really is an anti, that there will be no converting him. Taking our bussiness elswhere will really have a negligable effect on his bottom line. His posting a 30.06 sign will not only cost us another place we can carry and do bussiness in, but will also demonstrate to other antis "how to do it right". Most antis have never seen a proper 30.06 sign. I just as soon the antis keep putting up the gun buster signs, while the more knowledgeble CHLers can carry whereever we wish.

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With concers to the 30.06 sign I see your point. Telling them their sign is out of code does not make sense

As for the 51% it is a diffferent story. We are not allowed to carry into a place the makes 51% of their income from the sale of served booze, Posted or not. Two completely different issues.

I don't understand what you mean. I wasn't addressing the issue where alcohal is served in the premises. My comments were soley about a convenience store.
The sign is meaningless in a convenience store.
If a convenience store posts a 51% then we can carry inside.
If we complain to TABC they will be asked to take the sign down.
I suggest that ignorance is bliss. Don't do anything and the convenience store owner is content, us CHLs can carry without fear. everyone is happy.

Ah! ok forgot the Store part :) Then I agree, you are correct.

txinvestigator wrote:

Mithras61 wrote:Your best bet is to contact the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission and report it. I don't think it's impossible that the local Kwik-e-Mart gets 51% of its revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages, but it seems sort of unlikely.

The 51% rule applies only to places who sell for on-premise consumption.

...++1 yup....dunno where they were comming from (Kwik-e-Mart)...but call to TABC should handle that quickly!

Hi, I'm back; very interesting discussion.

I'm not the kind of person who would call TABC to report anything. Besides, I suspect the store owner is just misinformed about the purpose of the 51% sign vs. the 30.06 signs. The last thing I want is for them to remove the bogus 51% signs and replace them with the 30.06!

Thank for all the input,

Kevin

kanders wrote:Hi, I'm back; very interesting discussion.

I'm not the kind of person who would call TABC to report anything. Besides, I suspect the store owner is just misinformed about the purpose of the 51% sign vs. the 30.06 signs. The last thing I want is for them to remove the bogus 51% signs and replace them with the 30.06!

Thank for all the input,

Kevin

Stores can order a TABC sign package from printers that contain all of the signs, and some store owners just hang them all up. lol

Stores can order a TABC sign package from printers that contain all of the signs, and some store owners just hang them all up. lol

...ahhhhh...that def makes sense then

Skipper5 wrote:

Stores can order a TABC sign package from printers that contain all of the signs, and some store owners just hang them all up. lol

...ahhhhh...that def makes sense then

Some hand the signs to their employees and up they go without knowing how, what, which and why!

[Not so innocent] mistakes.

Russ.

I stoped by their office and told them I need some signs, " sure how many do you need"

Here is a good one:

In Irving a business is not allowed to have 50% of it business sales through booze. So by default the 51% does not apply.

Come on down the Irving and enjoy some beer with your gun !

Right?

Also I remember from class that the business has to have the 51% posted regardless if its sales are 51% or not.

I think that is a bad idea. I woudent suggest drinking with your gun on you. Bad idea.

spud wrote:I think that is a bad idea. I woudent suggest drinking with your gun on you. Bad idea.