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Excaliber wrote:Commerce would come to a crawl if everyone adhered to every ordinance

So... practically speaking, engaging in commerce requires you to be a criminal? Perhaps they have too many ordinances, or not enough streets.

Dave2 wrote:

Excaliber wrote:Commerce would come to a crawl if everyone adhered to every ordinance

So... practically speaking, engaging in commerce requires you to be a criminal? Perhaps they have too many ordinances, or not enough streets.

New York City does have too many people, too many ordinances, and not enough streets.

However, it should be kept in mind that, in New York, things like jaywalking and making "unapproved" turns on a bicycle are traffic infractions, not misdemeanors, and therefore noncriminal as a matter of law.

Do many folks commit traffic infractions on a routine basis daily? Yes. Is that a part of the culture and tolerated to a degree because it helps the city to run smoothly? Yes. Does that make New Yorkers, who are always in a hurry, criminals? No.

Dave2 wrote:

jimlongley wrote:When are they going to license cyclists and register the vehicles they use on the public roads?

Hopefully never:
"Here's your birthday present, Johnny"
"WOW!! A bike! Can I ride it over to Bobby's house?"
"Oh no, first you have save up enough money to register it with the government, then you have pay them more to get their permission, in the form of a license, to ride it. Only then may you actually use your bike to go to Bobby's house across the street."

Fine with me. But that makes a great example of uncaring parents who didn't put enough thought into their gift.

jimlongley wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

jimlongley wrote:When are they going to license cyclists and register the vehicles they use on the public roads?

Hopefully never:
"Here's your birthday present, Johnny"
"WOW!! A bike! Can I ride it over to Bobby's house?"
"Oh no, first you have save up enough money to register it with the government, then you have pay them more to get their permission, in the form of a license, to ride it. Only then may you actually use your bike to go to Bobby's house across the street."

Fine with me. But that makes a great example of uncaring parents who didn't put enough thought into their gift.

Eh? Seriously? Why? Because the parents couldn't afford to pay for registration and licensing, or because you think it's the government's job to tell you how to not fall over?

Dave2 wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

jimlongley wrote:When are they going to license cyclists and register the vehicles they use on the public roads?

Hopefully never:
"Here's your birthday present, Johnny"
"WOW!! A bike! Can I ride it over to Bobby's house?"
"Oh no, first you have save up enough money to register it with the government, then you have pay them more to get their permission, in the form of a license, to ride it. Only then may you actually use your bike to go to Bobby's house across the street."

Fine with me. But that makes a great example of uncaring parents who didn't put enough thought into their gift.

Eh? Seriously? Why? Because the parents couldn't afford to pay for registration and licensing, or because you think it's the government's job to tell you how to not fall over?

Because the parents did not properly provide for their offspring by raising them in a state that IS NOT a nanny state. One where it is NOT necessary to license a bicycle so you can ride it to your neighbor across the street.

OldCurlyWolf wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

jimlongley wrote:When are they going to license cyclists and register the vehicles they use on the public roads?

Hopefully never:
"Here's your birthday present, Johnny"
"WOW!! A bike! Can I ride it over to Bobby's house?"
"Oh no, first you have save up enough money to register it with the government, then you have pay them more to get their permission, in the form of a license, to ride it. Only then may you actually use your bike to go to Bobby's house across the street."

Fine with me. But that makes a great example of uncaring parents who didn't put enough thought into their gift.

Eh? Seriously? Why? Because the parents couldn't afford to pay for registration and licensing, or because you think it's the government's job to tell you how to not fall over?

Because the parents did not properly provide for their offspring by raising them in a state that IS NOT a nanny state. One where it is NOT necessary to license a bicycle so you can ride it to your neighbor across the street.

Good point.

Dave2 wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

jimlongley wrote:When are they going to license cyclists and register the vehicles they use on the public roads?

Hopefully never:
"Here's your birthday present, Johnny"
"WOW!! A bike! Can I ride it over to Bobby's house?"
"Oh no, first you have save up enough money to register it with the government, then you have pay them more to get their permission, in the form of a license, to ride it. Only then may you actually use your bike to go to Bobby's house across the street."

Fine with me. But that makes a great example of uncaring parents who didn't put enough thought into their gift.

Eh? Seriously? Why? Because the parents couldn't afford to pay for registration and licensing, or because you think it's the government's job to tell you how to not fall over?

No, because the parents knew about the extra expenses but chose to go ahead and give an unuseable gift anyway - that's just flat out mean.

It looks like bicyclists are the most frequent and most egregious traffic law violators. I'm not surprised.

Tamie wrote:It looks like bicyclists are the most frequent and most egregious traffic law violators. I'm not surprised.

Most recreational bike riders in NYC don't ride like what you see on the video. They're bicycle messengers.

The folks who make their living that way have a business model that promises they can deliver small physical packages faster than any other service.

They accomplish that mission by riding like kamikazes.

They're highly skilled and get their cargo to where it's going in a hurry.

They also occasionally get squashed.