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Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:35 pm
by danpaw
It's not ego. It's trust
Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:50 pm
by G.A. Heath
No ego here, I have a number of different Semi-Auto that I can carry, but I typically carry a 1911 because its what I shoot the best. I will say that anyone who wants to be taken seriously as a firearms trainer should never let a cameraman be down range (between targets actually) with students firing.
As far as James Yeager goes: Does he have an opinion? Yes. Is he entitled to his opinion? yes. Is he qualified to be an expert in my opinion? No, I have seen too much from him that makes me question if he actually knows what he's doing or if he is just a youtube mall ninja. Check out this blog post from Everyday No Days Off:
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/0 ... tographer/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:48 pm
by Jim Beaux
G.A. Heath wrote:No ego here, I have a number of different Semi-Auto that I can carry, but I typically carry a 1911 because its what I shoot the best. I will say that anyone who wants to be taken seriously as a firearms trainer should never let a cameraman be down range (between targets actually) with students firing.
As far as James Yeager goes: Does he have an opinion? Yes. Is he entitled to his opinion? yes. Is he qualified to be an expert in my opinion? No, I have seen too much from him that makes me question if he actually knows what he's doing or if he is just a youtube mall ninja. Check out this blog post from Everyday No Days Off:
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/0 ... tographer/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I dont know the guy but his words struck me as a bunch of malarkey. The real killer for me was in his explanation of why a CNC machine couldnt produce uniformed close tolerances. I hope he doesnt believe that spew.
Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:00 pm
by G.A. Heath
Jim Beaux wrote:G.A. Heath wrote:No ego here, I have a number of different Semi-Auto that I can carry, but I typically carry a 1911 because its what I shoot the best. I will say that anyone who wants to be taken seriously as a firearms trainer should never let a cameraman be down range (between targets actually) with students firing.
As far as James Yeager goes: Does he have an opinion? Yes. Is he entitled to his opinion? yes. Is he qualified to be an expert in my opinion? No, I have seen too much from him that makes me question if he actually knows what he's doing or if he is just a youtube mall ninja. Check out this blog post from Everyday No Days Off:
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/0 ... tographer/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I dont know the guy but his words struck me as a bunch of malarkey. The real killer for me was in his explanation of why a CNC machine couldnt produce uniformed close tolerances. I hope he doesnt believe that spew.
Yeah, I though that was kinda funny as well.
Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:51 pm
by FishInTx
I was stumbling around on the web this morning and came across this video. Posted it just because I knew glock fans and 1911 fans would have a few words to say.
Mr. Yeager is ok, he knows a lot more than I do but he just rubs me the wrong way.
Honestly, I do not own a 1911 but I certainly would own one. Been years since I shot one but when I did it functioned very well.
Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:31 pm
by Jim Beaux
The fact that millions (U.S. Gov 3 million alone) of the 1911 have been in use for over 100 years & has been the preferred sidearm in more wars then I can count, begs the question as to why all of a sudden it is now an inferior weapon.

Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:40 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Jim Beaux wrote:The fact that millions (U.S. Gov 3 million alone) of the 1911 have been in use for over 100 years & has been the preferred sidearm in more wars then I can count, begs the question as to why all of a sudden it is now an inferior weapon.

Jealousy. That's all it is.

Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:24 am
by txhighlander
This is not the first time I have heard this. I have carried 1911"s off and on for years. The only 1911 that gave me any problems was a Kimber , a bur under the extractor. Having said that in my search for further education with my skill I have had a few schools tell me the same things that this cat is saying, most 1911"s don't make it thru their courses without many malfunctions. As far as pointing between a Glock an a 1911, when I bring up a 1911 it points perfect for me, a Glock makes me point like I am shooting a coon in a tree. I have owned Glock's as well but never keep them, I just don't like them but I concur that they are good weapons, just not for me. I do know a few ops guys the still carry a 1911 in combat, hmmm don't think they would carry something in combat that didn't work.
Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:58 am
by surferdaddy
I don't have enough experience to formulate an intelligent opinion. But I have heard a lot about this before. I do think it's odd that he is comparing a brand to a design. If it is indeed true that not all 1911 manufacturers are the same and that there are craftsmen making excellent ones, should he not have compared only one of those specific 1911s to a glock? I love my m&p, but would love to get a new 1911 someday, so if there is any truth in what he says, can anyone recommend a 1911 which will run out of the box?
Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:18 am
by Reds45ACP
surferdaddy wrote:I don't have enough experience to formulate an intelligent opinion. But I have heard a lot about this before. I do think it's odd that he is comparing a brand to a design. If it is indeed true that not all 1911 manufacturers are the same and that there are craftsmen making excellent ones, should he not have compared only one of those specific 1911s to a glock? I love my m&p, but would love to get a new 1911 someday, so if there is any truth in what he says, can anyone recommend a 1911 which will run out of the box?
In no specific order:
Kimber, Springfield Armory, Taurus, Para Ordinance, Rock Island Armory, Remington, Ruger, Sig Sauer, Colt, Smith and Wesson (Although an S&W 1911 feels wrong somehow ;) ), and any other 1911 that is currently on the market that I forgot. The fact is the difference between theses various 1911s is build quality. Some are a bit tighter tolerances and higher quality components (barrels, bushings, ejectors, etc). Admittedly since I am a lefty if I had the $5k+ I'd buy one of these:
http://cabotgun.com/better-than-custom- ... south-paw/
Glocks will take a ton more abuse than a 1911. That's true. Most folks, (I would hope) keep thier carry piece in good condition. Thus making the argument irrelavant. Carry and shoot what you feel comfortable with.
Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:35 pm
by The Annoyed Man
G.A. Heath wrote:Bleh, I've seen this fanboy's videos before. He quotes Musashi about a warrior not having a favorite weapon but his previous video was all guns should be Glocks ....
He claims to be a trainer with tons of experience from Military and Law Enforcement positions that has taught 15,000 students who have fired 15,000,000 rounds yet I believe that it was him or his school that had a cameraman between targets while students were shooting. If you have a pistol that works for you who cares who's roll mark is on the slide? BTW, the M1911 originally had a flat mainspring housing it was the M1911A1 that came with the arched version.
This. And no 1911 afficionado with a head on his shoulders is going to say that theirs is the only gun anyone should consider. Nor would that person make the claim that all 1911s are perfect. But here is a fact that cannot be disputed. My wife's G19 has jammed. I've seen it happen with my own eyes, and that pistol is kept pristine and well lubricated. But wait.....wait.... It wasn't a
jam, it was a "failure to feed!"
The perfect firearm has never been invented, Glocks included. Now, here's the deal for Glock fanboys.....trying to explain a 1911 to a Glock fanboy is like trying to explain a Ducati to a Honda owner. If they're not going to get it, they're not going to get it. And, assuming that the guy in the OP video is a for real instructor, does his record surpass Col. Jeff Cooper's? Cooper was of the opinion that the "wonder 9" pistols were great........if you planned to miss a lot. Now, I'm not saying that large capacity double stack pistols are bad. I own more than one of them myself. All I'm saying is that this attitude of "if you're not carrying [insert brand here] you ain't squat" is just plain dumb.
The smart person carries what they are comfortable with and shoot well. Fanboy in the video is evidently very comfortable with large capacity Glocks (he didn't mention the G36). Good for him. Maybe he plans to miss a lot. I don't know. But if you like and do well with a Kahr, carry a Kahr. Ditto the M&P/XD/XDm/S&W 642/1911 (name the brand). Whatever it takes to get you armed, in a sufficient caliber, so that you will carry it all day every day.
I wonder what Fanboy thinks of this:

Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:22 pm
by tbrown
Jim Beaux wrote:The fact that millions (U.S. Gov 3 million alone) of the 1911 have been in use for over 100 years
Is that the same government that gave us the Post Office and Amtrack?

Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:42 pm
by The Annoyed Man
tbrown wrote:Jim Beaux wrote:The fact that millions (U.S. Gov 3 million alone) of the 1911 have been in use for over 100 years
Is that the same government that gave us the Post Office and Amtrack?

OK, now that's just dirty pool. I suppose you're going to mention next that the pistol is the result of the lowest bidder to a government contract?

Re: 1911's *stink*
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:02 pm
by G26ster
The Annoyed Man wrote:
OK, now that's just dirty pool. I suppose you're going to mention next that the pistol is the result of the lowest bidder to a government contract?

Of course not, but it IS "close enough for government work."
